Fable Legends: AMD and Nvidia go head-to-head in latest DirectX 12 benchmark

[setter]

See this is good for AMD and GCN is looking fantastic for cards like the 390/X. For those wanting more, there is the 980Ti and it is a mile ahead of the Fury X and miles cheaper. I don't get why anyone would defend the FX after seeing how it performs and overclocks.

Well, you have owned both more or less, ie fury x and tx. 980ti being comparable to tx. But clocks a bit better. But, in reviews overclocking should never be considered. You compare products at stock. Fury x, nice enough card, but not quite great. The inclusion of an aio doesn't inspire confidence in me. I wonder how hot it would run on a reference cooler? I admire the use of hbm memory on it. The first dip into this new technology
which AMD are quite good at. Would I biy one, no. Not while they use an aio. I've got a 980ti that runs as cool and quiet. But its not a long term card for me.

 

[fs123]

Well, you have owned both more or less, ie fury x and tx. 980ti being comparable to tx. But clocks a bit better. But, in reviews overclocking should never be considered. You compare products at stock. Fury x, nice enough card, but not quite great. The inclusion of an aio doesn't inspire confidence in me. I wonder how hot it would run on a reference cooler? I admire the use of hbm memory on it. The first dip into this new technology
which AMD are quite good at. Would I biy one, no. Not while they use an aio. I've got a 980ti that runs as cool and quiet. But its not a long term card for me.

Ever heard of the Fury Pro or nano ? Both air cooled and run as cool as any other air cooled cards.

 

[Gregster]

Well, you have owned both more or less, ie fury x and tx. 980ti being comparable to tx. But clocks a bit better. But, in reviews overclocking should never be considered. You compare products at stock. Fury x, nice enough card, but not quite great. The inclusion of an aio doesn't inspire confidence in me. I wonder how hot it would run on a reference cooler? I admire the use of hbm memory on it. The first dip into this new technology
which AMD are quite good at. Would I biy one, no. Not while they use an aio. I've got a 980ti that runs as cool and quiet. But its not a long term card for me.

I have never ever been a fan of AIO coolers but after using the AIO cooler of the FX, I have proper chaged my mind (luckily I didn't get a whiner) but seeing the temps and pumping the fan up to max netted me a **** poor 50mhz overclock. Not quite the "overclockers Dream" I was suckered into buying and I can possible see why a few just want stock clocks to be considered only in this bench.

 

[setter]

I have never ever been a fan of AIO coolers but after using the AIO cooler of the FX, I have proper chaged my mind (luckily I didn't get a whiner) but seeing the temps and pumping the fan up to max netted me a **** poor 50mhz overclock. Not quite the "overclockers Dream" I was suckered into buying and I can possible see why a few just want stock clocks to be considered only in this bench.

As you maybe know from my gpu history, I like aftermarket cards. Particularly gigabyte wf models
of which I've owned 460, 670, and 780 in sli. Now tbh they're not ideal in sli
Particularly if board spacing is tight. And sli os problematic, same as xfire. But tbh mate I prefer air cooling on gpu's. Aio, too much to go wrong. Cant afford watercooling. But I will likely end up putting an ek predator 240 on my CPU. 5820k.

 

[Rroff]

I have never ever been a fan of AIO coolers but after using the AIO cooler of the FX, I have proper chaged my mind (luckily I didn't get a whiner) but seeing the temps and pumping the fan up to max netted me a **** poor 50mhz overclock. Not quite the "overclockers Dream" I was suckered into buying and I can possible see why a few just want stock clocks to be considered only in this bench.

Problem with AIOs though - as I've found - even taking the FX's issues with it out of the equation it can be totally random if you get one that has a decently quiet pump or one that has some annoying noises of one type or another.

 

[setter]

Ever heard of the Fury Pro or nano ? Both air cooled and run as cool as any other air cooled cards.

Missed this post, yes I've heard of theese cards. Good as they are. They aren't in the bracket that interests me. Great products in their own market. And products I admire and respect. But I still stand on my position against aio cooled cards. I believe in the old acronym KISS, keep it simple stupid. Less to go wrong.

 

[Orangey]

DX12 is a fable tbh, no games out that use it. A few benchmarks where people argue about how it does on current cards. Which will be obsolete by the time we see it used.

I can't recall a time quite like this. The buildup to Doom 3 / HL2 maybe. All this new tech swirling around makes people giddy lol.

 

[TheMorningStar]

I can't recall a time quite like this. The buildup to Doom 3 / HL2 maybe. All this new tech swirling around makes people giddy lol.

Yeah same, seems we are at the start of a technical renaissance. Plenty of nieche markets are getting good levels of development. Christ, the options I have in monitor upgrades alone is daunting.

 

[setter]

I can't recall a time quite like this. The buildup to Doom 3 / HL2 maybe. All this new tech swirling around makes people giddy lol.

What have we got game wise that uses DX12, nothing but a few beta benchmarks. Yes gcn is looking ok in theese. Matches NVIDIA offerings. But its hardly anything to get excited about. DX12 is for the next cards from both vendors. Current stuff is a pretty mediocre warm up act.

 

[r7slayer]

I think your forgeting it's not just about the small performance gains we currently get in this gen but how much it DX12 provides developers to make use of the systems resources. Its lowering CPU overheads so more CPU grunt is available to use so less cpu dependant games. It's alowing Devs to use more of that GPU grunt so less idle times and lower latency making smoother gameplay.

It's alowing Devs to take more control over hardware than before and this means they can do more with thier games, more dynamic lighting etc, better looking visuals in games basically.

Yes we should in theory see better stuff/performance with next gen but we are just currently getting to taste it.

End of the day DX12 is great for every gamer not one side of the fence. And please don't compare DX12 to older iterations because DX12 is going to be far more advanced as a API than past.

 

[YB2ndBEST]

At first this thread was like... "WOOOO!"

Now it's like... @_@

lol carry on!

 

[tommybhoy]

The thread was doomed from the very first post. Even after shanky's shenanigans we get posts like this:

What, do you expect will happen to the rest of the thread.

What about the two posters previous to my comments having a pop at the op-that contributed to my thoughts in the first place, they don't count coz they are against negative Nvidia?

Don't confuse my calling out bias posting as an attack on Nvidia, Iv'e taken pops at AMD in here too if you read back.

 

[tommybhoy]

See this is good for AMD and GCN is looking fantastic for cards like the 390/X. For those wanting more, there is the 980Ti and it is a mile ahead of the Fury X and miles cheaper. I don't get why anyone would defend the FX after seeing how it performs and overclocks.

Well done, you got there in the end, you wouldn't want FX over 980ti yes, but using the same logic it would conclude:

For those wanting less, there is AMD and it is miles ahead of anything under GM200 and miles cheaper. I don't get why anyone would defend Nvidia after seeing how it performs even overclocked.

 

[Gregster]

Hopefully we will get a user version of this soon and we can have a bench thread to have a play with. I personally am not fussed over this game but it certainly looks good, so might well be worth a play and being free, that will help

I pretty much expect the same pattern we have seen in AOTS, with tech sites saying how close they are but reality showing a complete different story and Nvidia ruling.

 

[andybird123]

Well done, you got there in the end, you wouldn't want FX over 980ti yes, but using the same logic it would conclude:

For those wanting less, there is AMD and it is miles ahead of anything under GM200 and miles cheaper. I don't get why anyone would defend Nvidia after seeing how it performs even overclocked.

If wanting to save, why would you recommend the 390's over 290's. The 8GB on the 390's isn't really useable and given your own purchase history would you really recommend crossfire?

And yes if you go back through a couple of the more recent what to buy threads, I have been recommending the 290's to those on a tight budget

 

[fs123]

Well done, you got there in the end, you wouldn't want FX over 980ti yes, but using the same logic it would conclude:

For those wanting less, there is AMD and it is miles ahead of anything under GM200 and miles cheaper. I don't get why anyone would defend Nvidia after seeing how it performs even overclocked.

I agree. The 980ti @ 1300MHz is only 2-3 fps ahead of a FuryX @ 1050MHz. Not sure that is miles ahead.

The 390X is beating a 980 by around the same fps so would the same people agree that the AMD card is miles ahead of the 980?

What everyone should take note of is that in the £150-£400 price range AMD is the clear winner which is nothing to be sniffed at. Aside from the 390X, the cheaper 390 (and 290X) is on par with a 980 that costs nearly £200 more

 

[andybird123]

I agree. The 980ti @ 1300MHz is only 3 fps ahead of a FuryX @ 1050MHz. Not sure that is miles ahead.
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But all 980ti's will do 1400 and most will do 1450-1500 without too much trouble
We've yet to see a FuryX do more than about 1200 without LN2 being involved

Lots of us have said repeatedly that the 980 is a bit pointless at its current price as the 970 is within a couple of fps overclocked, or the 980ti is a lot more performance for not much extra cash

AMD have often been "better value", but that has only lead to declining sales, not sure why some people seem to want to make a big deal about this as it changes nothing from before, only that we are now at the game devs mercy for performance and not AMD's driver team

 

[Gregster]

I agree. The 980ti @ 1300MHz is only 2-3 fps ahead of a FuryX @ 1050MHz. Not sure that is miles ahead.

The 390X is beating a 980 by around the same fps so would the same people agree that the AMD card is miles ahead of the 980?

What everyone should take note of is that in the £150-£400 price range AMD is the clear winner which is nothing to be sniffed at. Aside from the 390X, the cheaper 390 (and 290X) is on par with a 980 that costs nearly £200 more

So given the choice, would you buy a 980Ti or a Fury X, knowing how both overclock and what they both cost?

 

[tommybhoy]

If wanting to save, why would you recommend the 390's over 290's. The 8GB on the 390's isn't really useable and given your own purchase history would you really recommend crossfire?

And yes if you go back through a couple of the more recent what to buy threads, I have been recommending the 290's to those on a tight budget

I never recommended 39 over 29, if the 39 was same price, I'd take it for the vram as history dictates that it becomes beneficial for those that don't upgrade every series.

Your quite right I wouldn't recommend Crossfire or SLI anymore, support used to be very good, but now your left waiting for support that can take months to get proper working profiles if they appear at all.

 

[fs123]

So given the choice, would you buy a 980Ti or a Fury X, knowing how both overclock and what they both cost?

I'd buy a 390 and then crossfire it later. But if I was in the market for the high end then I would not buy either at the moment at full price. With all the uncertainty regarding Async shaders, memory capacity, etc I'd wait for the next cards.

Right now I'm waiting for the next gen cards since my current setup is about the same as a 980/390X.