How far is this VW thing going to go?

[TW]Fox;28618886 said:
I think actually what you prefer is the way a turbocharged engine - and thus every diesel - drives. Not diesel specifically. Generally the specific traits diesel alone adds to the way a car drives are negative. Diesel reduces refinement and offers poorer NVH dynamics than a petrol engine. If you like that effortless shove a diesel offers then it's forced induction you like, rather than diesel.

Diesel in road cars is fundamentally about fuel efficiency, because the fuel consumption of a petrol engine offering similar performance characteristics is generally noticeably higher.
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You're quite possibly right.

I've driven diesels (trucks) for the past 30 years and a crappy 1.3 petrol car for most of that.

Before I became Captain Sensible I had numerous 3.0 Capris and loved the bark & bite.

My car now is a 2.2 turbo-diesel Civic and it's effortless with lots of easy whoosh.
 
My car is a current model 530d and it isn't as good as the petrol one I wish I could have bought instead if only the entire country wasn't obsessed with diesel.
 
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[TW]Fox;28619190 said:
My car is a current model 530d and it isn't as good as the 3 litre turbo petrol one I wish I could have bought instead if only the entire country wasn't obsessed with diesel.
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I can safely say I wish I listed to people when they said that, including you, Petrol next time i think, I don't mind the 320d but having a friend purchase a petrol m sport wish I had more time to look out

I have no idea how far this vdub this will go, but it's going to be milked for a while I would think. Media doing what ever they can to pound them down
 
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ICDP said:
I compared it to a 1.2T as requested.
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Where were the figures taken from?

My Fiesta ST with 200bhp gets me 40mpg+ on average all day long and 45mpg+ on a long run so I very much doubt a 1.2tsi with 110bhp gets less in the "real world"...
 
Greebo said:
all that technology used to keep emissions down breaks often and is very expensive to fix.
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Well, this was kind of my point.

These new eco-petrols, e.g. the 1.0 EcoBoost Mondeo (yes... a 1L engine in a car the size of a Mondeo!) apparently generating 123 bhp, must have a lot of technology on there (and be very highly tuned) to generate that power (similar to what is stuck onto diesel engines). These engines are all relatively new at the moment, but I wonder how easy/economical they'll be to keep running in 7-8 years?
 
Haggisman said:
Well, this was kind of my point.

These new eco-petrols, e.g. the 1.0 EcoBoost Mondeo (yes... a 1L engine in a car the size of a Mondeo!) apparently generating 123 bhp, must have a lot of technology on there (and be very highly tuned) to generate that power (similar to what is stuck onto diesel engines). These engines are all relatively new at the moment, but I wonder how easy/economical they'll be to keep running in 7-8 years?
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You mean, if they are still running in 7-8 years? One of the main reason the diesels are successful is because they run slower, cooler in general, and thus last a LOT longer than petrol ones... Thats why taxis for example wouldn't dream of getting a petrol car, and it's been the case for years...
 
I can under stand people thinking Diesel was a cleaner engine, I have known since the 80s that diesel is a smelly polluting engine.

The only reason I have a diesel is because I tow a caravan, and you cant get a petrol engine Mondeo that will do the job well enough.
 
Jono8 said:
Where were the figures taken from?

My Fiesta ST with 200bhp gets me 40mpg+ on average all day long and 45mpg+ on a long run so I very much doubt a 1.2tsi with 110bhp gets less in the "real world"...
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http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/realmpg/nissan/qashqai-2014

They don't have figures for the 1.6T petrol but it has lower MPG than the 1.2T petrol. These numbers are taken by real people who use the cars and not the manufacturers data.
 
I'm fairly certain that Land Rover haven't been cheating the system with the engines in my Discovery. At least there's no higher VED bracket to be sent to if they have!
 
Jono8 said:
Where were the figures taken from?

My Fiesta ST with 200bhp gets me 40mpg+ on average all day long and 45mpg+ on a long run so I very much doubt a 1.2tsi with 110bhp gets less in the "real world"...
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New ST?

Either way that car is wasted on you... it's an ST, drive it like it's stolen! :D

I love fords new eco-engine range. Had a 1.0L focus last year, was quicker than my previous 1.6L focus.

Now I have a 1.6L eco-boost focus, automatic, it doesn't set the world alight but it's plenty pokey. (180bhp, 0-60 ~8 seconds, 140 top end, £110 road tax a year!)

Petrol all the way.
 
balky12 said:
New ST?

Either way that car is wasted on you... it's an ST, drive it like it's stolen! :D

I love fords new eco-engine range. Had a 1.0L focus last year, was quicker than my previous 1.6L focus.

Now I have a 1.6L eco-boost focus, automatic, it doesn't set the world alight but it's plenty pokey. (180bhp, 0-60 ~8 seconds, 140 top end, £110 road tax a year!)

Petrol all the way.
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Yes, new ST and it certainly isn't wasted on me ;) those figures are with no babying!

Could easily get ~ 50mpg on a run if I was "hypermiling" I reckon. Some motoring magazine/websites have got some great figures out of it on eco runs/competitions (not really what it was built for but impressive none the less!)
 
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ICDP said:
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/realmpg/nissan/qashqai-2014

They don't have figures for the 1.6T petrol but it has lower MPG than the 1.2T petrol. These numbers are taken by real people who use the cars and not the manufacturers data.
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That site is hardly "fact" though is it - it doesn't show the sample size for a start - so the 1.2T could easily be only 3 owners figures (e.g. 34.0 and 45.6 are already known - a 3rd entry of 36.2 would give a 38.6 average).
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/realmpg/nissan/qashqai-2014/12-dig-t


Similarly the Diesel 1.5 figure conveniently averages out to 53.3 with just the minimum and maximum of 46.0 and 60.6 - again 2 samples is hardly representative.
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/realmpg/nissan/qashqai-2014/15-dci
 
ICDP said:
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/realmpg/nissan/qashqai-2014

They don't have figures for the 1.6T petrol but it has lower MPG than the 1.2T petrol. These numbers are taken by real people who use the cars and not the manufacturers data.
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Maybe the Qashqai is just a rubbish example of what petrol engines can do :p

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/realmpg/ford/fiesta-st-2013

85bhp and 73lb ft more than the Nissan and it only weighs ~150kg less yet gets the same "real world" economy...
 
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