1.2 Tdi
How far is this VW thing going to go?
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1.2 Tdi
Fine that's good for you, deisels with DPF filters need to be burnt on motorways. But around town they are ****ing useless and clog, break etc in the end.
As for a 1.2 ecotec having poke???
I doubt it could take my eye out mate!
This is what makes me laugh about the argument overall.
By poke I mean it is nippy around town, and cruises nicely at motorway speeds, if by poke you mean flat zooming about and breaking speed limits then surely your petrol version is swallowing far more petrol than necessary (And hence damaging the environment) and your also dangerous behind the wheel
As to reliability, I have clocked up about 30K in 2 years and it's been sweet as a nut so far, within a couple of years I'll look to chop it in and will again look at what gets me about at a cost I can manage (Petrol or diesel)
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Nobody buys diesel because they think its clean, they buy it because they believe it will use less fuel.
Most people do not care about the emissions that do not directly impact them financially which is why the faux outrage is somewhat amusing.
Beginning of the end started ages ago, it's just a slow process, once knowledge of particulates and nox were known it was always going to eventually change, then several cities banned diesels, more are looking to ban diesels, now we have this scandal. I can see it speeding up the process.
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Absolutely agree. I bet less than 5% of people buy a car and pick and engine based on emmisions and pollution. They care about running cost, fuel cost and VED (which granted is a reflection of emissions). Hopefully we'll see a big drop in the number of diesels soon.
Let's hope it's the catalyst needed. Clean petrol is definitely the way forward followed by hybrid and full electric. Then of course hydrogen.
Fixed, hydrogen will never be usable and has no real benefits, and hybrids aren't needed. Stay petrol or switch to electric.
Modern diesels are 'clean' if they meet (Actually meet, rather than pretend..) modern emissions standards.
Here is a chart showing NOX emissions each standard allows:
http://www.smmt.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/particulate_matter_reductions-web1.jpg
You can see how much more clean the Euro 5 and 6 vehicles are and how comparatively awful 3 and 4 are. You don't need to ban 3 and 4 from the roads, they'll naturally vanish as the cars begin to age and become uneconomical to repair.
Whilst I'd also like to see less diesels - it's really ridiculous that if you are buying certain segments of car now you really have no choice (Audi A6 for example, if you don't want an S6 you cannot have a pure petrol car but there are many diesel variants) - it doesn't help to bandwagon and exaggerate the issue.
Like it or not the prevalence of diesel cars on our roads is a direct result of decades of government policy which kept fuel prices high and gave tax incentives for low CO2 cars, which directly favoured and encouraged the purchase of cars which were as fuel efficient as possible with little regard for other factors. This is fact, it happened. You cannot turn around now and penalise millions of people who went out and did EXACTLY as EU wide government policy encouraged them to do.
Look at any country where there is no punitive tax on road fuel and no CO2 driven taxation and what do you see - almost zero diesel passenger cars.
No...just no.
You do not have to break speed limits to have fun on public roads. You just need the right car.
The most dangerous thing on our roads is not sporty powerful cars that have good suspension, good tyres and good brakes, but idiots in cheap slow crap with thin tyres, rubbish suspension and no acceleration driving too fast.
But it's the only real way to have fun on public roads. Guns all about pushing the envelope and on twisty roads, you dint need power or acceleration.
Do feel sorry for kids these days with how busy roads are, going back to when I learnt to drive there's a massive difference.
It's why I don't care about top performing cars on roads now, I just want a comfy armchair and as little driver input as needed, as 90% of the time in heavy traffic anyway.
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I generally agree, but nox is just one aspect and it doesn't neglect that fact cities have and are banning diesels regardless of EU 5/6 or other standards.
The quicker government catches up and reverses their low tax rates for diesels the better.
What, breaking the speed limit?
No it isn't. Going fast in a straight line is boring. Its the acceleration, and taking corners that is fun.
I see it all the time on one particular road on my way home from work which is a twisty 50mph single carriageway. People in crap slow cars go 60+ in all the straight bits then have to break ridiculously at all the bends because they don't have the confidence in their car to take the corner at any sort of decent speed.
I just stick to the speed limit in my ST, never having to break for the corners and keep up with them and have far more fun in the process due to the joys of taking the corners at a decent speed. They pull away in the straights then i'm right back behind them after a corner and I never have to go over the limit.
Correct. I have a friend with a Bentley, a Ferrari and a BMW 750i. He also has a fiat 500 Abarth. He says he drives the fiat way more than the other cars.
Reason been? He says on uk roads, he gets more fun from been on the limit with the Fiat than he can in any of the other cars.
No, the complete opposite, driving a rubbish car to push the envelope on twisty roads within the law.
sometimes its more fun to drive something slow fast than something fast slow.
this is why i kinda want a little 400cc silly bike
Well, sort of, but then there is a limit. A lot of slow cars just feel crap to drive, however fast you drive them (body roll, under steer etc)
Nobody has 'banned diesels' properly, what we've seen so far is political posturing at best. Cities that are taking measures - such as Germany - have done so in a fairly sensible way and do so by banning the more polluting older variants rather than everything outright.
The key word there is 'proposed'. It's just an idea, political posturing. It'll fall at the implementation stage when it's realised by those who said what the constituents wanted to hear that there is no technical rationale for charging a Euro 6 compliant diesel Ford £12.50 but letting in a 2003 Mondeo V6 for free.
Or it'll be like the German system where Euro 4, 5 and 6 cars are free and all others are banned/pay/whatever, irrespective of fuel type.
Or it'll be like the German system where Euro 4, 5 and 6 cars are free and all others are banned/pay/whatever, irrespective of fuel type.
