Police use new tactics where i live for speeding

[mjt]

How many accidents do they have on the autobarn in germany with no speed limit. Obviously is speed kills there will be millions on crashes there everyday?

There are fewer and fewer derestricted sections of motorway in Germany.
There are also lots of strictly enforced limited sections of motorway, so the Germany argument doesn't really work.

Furthermore, the heavily congested motorway networks around the major cities have limits, either fixed or variable.

Having said that, lane discipline in Germany is not what it used to be, so I'm surprised there aren't more accidents..

 

[kaku]

Not at all impossible to implement nationwide average speed checks. Simply make black boxes mandatory on all vehicles - automated fines for speeders and further revenue from fining those that fail to comply. Suprised it's not been done already.

It's true.

I'd be interested to see how much of a backlash such a system would cause. Not to mention what (if any) effect it would have on the fuel/performance car/road tax payments.

 

[redline]

*How else do you explain smooth, high visibility, wide and well surfaced roads with 30 limits which change to 60 limits at exactly the point they become narrow, twisty and potholed?

Well, I'm sure they exist, but I can't say I see too many sections like this around here. Most of the limits seems to genuinely reflect the circumstances; maybe the odd 30 that could be a 40 but otherwise seem sensible. The stupidest thing around here is single track rural roads that are NSL when even 30 is way too fast

 

[[TW]Fox]

Well, I'm sure they exist, but I can't say I see too many sections like this around here. Most of the limits seems to genuinely reflect the circumstances; maybe the odd 30 that could be a 40 but otherwise seem sensible. The stupidest thing around here is single track rural roads that are NSL when even 30 is way too fast

There are absolutely loads down here - anywhere semi rural has loads of random junctions down nothing more than cart tracks with NSL signs whilst the main road remains with some ridiculously low limit. Most commonly found on rural trunk roads which have been given those annoying 50 limits.

 

[snowdog]

There are fewer and fewer derestricted sections of motorway in Germany.
There are also lots of strictly enforced limited sections of motorway, so the Germany argument doesn't really work.

What nonsense, ignoring motorways in urban areas, some local limits for small stretches and one state (iirc.) in Germany, the standard is still unlimited on the Autobahns.

See:
http://www.autobahnatlas-online.de/Limitkarte.pdf
Blue is unlimited ( see : http://www.autobahnatlas-online.de/LegendeLimit.pdf )
''dotted'' is variable, so sometimes unlimited, sometimes lower.

Your ''fewer and fewer'' are still the majority...

Also strictly enforced is not really true is it, bar a few fixed camera's here and there, they don't have as much obsessive average speed zones/section control like here or in the UK.

 

[TheVoice]

Not at all impossible to implement nationwide average speed checks. Simply make black boxes mandatory on all vehicles - automated fines for speeders and further revenue from fining those that fail to comply. Suprised it's not been done already.

You're surprised that it hasn't been legally mandated that every car on the road be retrofitted with a tracking device? Don't be obtuse.

 

[Tummy]

Just drive at the legal speed limit, .

 

[Conscript]

There are absolutely loads down here - anywhere semi rural has loads of random junctions down nothing more than cart tracks with NSL signs whilst the main road remains with some ridiculously low limit. Most commonly found on rural trunk roads which have been given those annoying 50 limits.

Indeed, the same here. This is one thing that annoys me about the speed debate; arbitrary limits are mandated and enforced with little or no sensible consideration.

Take for example the Gravesend to Rochester road...
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4...4!1sWAdogdTvpXLvR8VLorQ97g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Well surfaced, few junctions, passes through only a couple of built up areas (just collections of houses), great visibility...yet for some reason there's a 50MPH limit along it's whole length. Also, the road is probably a good 12 metres wide, yet the council have placed pedestrian refuges at regular intervals along the whole length, close enough to make overtaking slower traffic almost immpossible. Yet you rarely see a pedestrian along the road because it's not really a local route.

However, not far from there is this road...
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4...4!1sbg0y1rwCquO0nOGf-H3ZQw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Winding, single track, potholed road. Twists through lots of forest. It's dark, there's lot of blind crests, steep dips and loose verges. You'd be an absolutel nutcase to tackle it at much more than 20MPH for much of it's length, although by law, it's a 60MPH limit.

The disparity really is baffling.

 

[Janesy B]

Just drive at the legal speed limit, .

Thanks Sherlock.

 

[Tummy]

Thanks Sherlock.

You're welcome.

Seriously, it should not matter where speed camera's are, nor how the police hide them, if you drive at the legal speed limit. Why should it bother a motorist.

 

[snowdog]

drive at the legal speed limit.
snip
bother a motorist.

Driving at the speed limit is annoying, often boring and sleep inducing. Limits are ''bothering'' the motorist.

 

[Greebo]

You're surprised that it hasn't been legally mandated that every car on the road be retrofitted with a tracking device? Don't be obtuse.

But one day soon it will be compulsory on every new car. You can bet on it.

 

[Haggisman]

Personally I feel speed cameras should always be obvious and visible, the deterrent serves to slow people down, which if we assume that greater speed equals greater danger, is surely the point after all

But it doesn't?

It slows people down for the ~5-10m of white lines on the road that the camera is monitoring, after which they speed up again.

I'm all for average speed cameras on sections of road with accident blackspots, outside schools etc. the problem is, these would only really be effective on sections with no turn-offs, unless you had a camera on each junction, which would probably be prohibitively costly!

The stupidest thing around here is single track rural roads that are NSL when even 30 is way too fast

Winding, single track, potholed road. Twists through lots of forest. It's dark, there's lot of blind crests, steep dips and loose verges. You'd be an absolutel nutcase to tackle it at much more than 20MPH for much of it's length, although by law, it's a 60MPH limit.

The disparity really is baffling.

IIRC NSL doesn't mean "safe to do 60", it's just a default where the road hasn't been analysed for what the actual safe limit should be

 

[Conscript]

IIRC NSL doesn't mean "safe to do 60", it's just a default where the road hasn't been analysed for what the actual safe limit should be

I know, that's kind of my point; that people using legal speed limits as the absolute be all and end all of road safety are often ignorant of the reality of the situation. Giving roads that are often too small to have been properly classified a default of 60MPH is a bit silly.

Do 60MPH along the first road that I gave as an example and they'll be up in arms because you've exceeded the number on the sign, despite it being perfectly safe to do so.
Do 50MPH along the second and they'd probably think it fine, despite the fact that you'd have to be absolutely mental to do so

 

[redline]

But it doesn't?
IIRC NSL doesn't mean "safe to do 60", it's just a default where the road hasn't been analysed for what the actual safe limit should be

I use a road like this almost every day, and that sign is interpreted by many morons as I can drive as fast as I like, regardless of what they may meet around the next bend. I always go that extra bit slower to compensate, but near misses, and a clashing of mirrors happens often, as the twits tank by

 

[Haggisman]

I know, that's kind of my point; that people using legal speed limits as the absolute be all and end all of road safety are often ignorant of the reality of the situation. Giving roads that are often too small to have been properly classified a default of 60MPH is a bit silly.

Do 60MPH along the first road that I gave as an example and they'll be up in arms because you've exceeded the number on the sign, despite it being perfectly safe to do so.
Do 50MPH along the second and they'd probably think it fine, despite the fact that you'd have to be absolutely mental to do so

I use a road like this almost every day, and that sign is interpreted by many morons as I can drive as fast as I like, regardless of what they may meet around the next bend. I always go that extra bit slower to compensate, but near misses, and a clashing of mirrors happens often, as the twits tank by

Agree with both these posts, but don't they just emphasise the need for speed limits?

Given an NSL road, idiots will drive as fast as they can with no regard for the conditions, until they end up in a ditch/tree/tractor, so imagine what would happen if all speed limits were removed?

I know the majority of people drive "sensibly" (whether that's within or exceeding the speed limit is not necessarily related), however having speed limits in place at least gives some semblance of control over the idiots, and "limits" p) the damage they can do.

 

[AshD93]

As much as I would want the speed limits increased massively as they are rediculously low (for me), I would actually say the current limits are fine for one reason.

Most people on UK roads do not know how to ******* drive.

It's either people on the phone, people in middle lanes on the motorway, people who overtake then slow down or just ****** who just swerve in front and change lanes willy nilly without any care or consideration.

Lately I feel like I have to drive so cautiously of other people because I know at some point, a **** will randomly change lanes on a roundabout because he's not paying attention (guess what happened today).

 

[Minstadave]

You're surprised that it hasn't been legally mandated that every car on the road be retrofitted with a tracking device? Don't be obtuse.

You can't honestly see some daft minister thinking this would save lives (whilst making some nice cash) and trying to push through legislation? I could believe they'd try.

 

[neoboy]

Well I think at this rate and if we start getting more hidden mobile cameras Honda Jazz is the only car I'm ever going to need on the UK roads.

 

[gamerdude1989]

There was a thing about hidden speed camera's in my area about a year ago..
the police were using tactics such as those.. they were hidden in wheelie bins, hidden in tree's attached to branches.. etc
a lot of people got caught by them.

but with our local's reporting it, they eventually all got removed..
and a public apology from the chief of our local police station for hiding them.
He said that he apologises due to the fact that its illegal to place a speed trap camera without any warnings, such as road signs etc..

We were told, that, there is no law about placing speed camera caution signs up, even if there is no camera..
But, if there is a speed trap camera.. it has to be properly sign posted on that very road, no closer than 100 meters away from the camera...
The sign post's are not allowed to be hidden either, or covered by nature, such as tree branches etc...
it has to be clearly visible, and no closer than 100 meters away from the camera..

thats of course, if they are actual speed trap camera's...

traffic monitoring camera's, and other sources, do not need to be sign posted in anyway..