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That's OcUK for you.
Should have done your research and not wasted your money. Should have been more sensible and chosen more wisely. You're a fool wasting money because your too impatient to do the car buying thing properly etc..etc..
except unless your name is Iceman. In which case you either view him as God or moan about how he must have bought it with Daddy's money.
Autocar are idiots anyway, especially Steve. A tuned GTR would leave an M5 for dead, roll or a dig, especially now Litchfields have the MAHA dyno and were tuning them to around 630bhp for stage 4 with downpipes before, with the new dyno and new software they are making 670bhp+ and 600+ tq from as little as 2,800 rpm, and its pretty much flat throughout the rev range. On a side note, the M5 (E60 and F10) are cracking cars but just prefer the GTR. BMW make awesome M cars.
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GTR is boring...
How come you find them boring?
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Because they are...
... but then I find most things with 4WD completely uninteresting.
They reduce driver involvement to go fast... they take away the challenge and intrigue in learning something new.
Take one onto a rally course or dirt track and that's where the interest starts.
Only 4WD system I've found that's fun is a 911 and that's because it drives like a RWD car for 98% of the time... the GTR feels closer to a scoob in its infinite boredom.
Launches get boring after you've experienced the first 2, maybe 3 if you're slow or can't drive.
I wouldn't waste my money on an M5 either, unless I had 2 kids... but I'd have an M5 over a GTR any day. That said, since the M3/M4/M5/M6 moved away from NA V8 and V10 to turbo S6 and V8, they've become less interesting/exciting also...
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I never realised you drive everywhere sideways. You clearly have little knowledge of how any 4WD cars works as a lot of the time (when coasting/part throttle) they are RWD, under acceleration power is sent to the front wheels too.
"With the dampers in comfort, the four-wheel drive system in race and the traction and stability systems also in race mode , it's a wild, intoxicating ride. There's so much performance to unleash, such superb front end response to work with and always the threat of the rear snapping wide on corner exit. No question the Gtr keeps you busier than any other car here and your every input becomes crucial because of the raw speed that this thing generates. In these conditions I'd wager the R8 and the 911 have a little more grip- just because their tyres are less dry road/track-optimised and they're certainly calmer things to exploit , but the excitement that pours back at you with the Gtr is something else. It seems that every corner, fast or slow, requires technique to master and usually a correction to help smooth progress. I know there's a general sense that the Gtr is a bit dull,but when you're attacking a great road in one, that perception is laughable. It's a proper monster."
"And that’s the brilliance of this car – you drive it, and it lets you drive it hard, with clear and unfiltered messages from the road filtering up through the wheel and seat. To those who still think the GT-R is a rather digital and soulless experience, please find a way to experience it for yourself."
Car: "Which leaves the GT-R. It’s always been compromised, harsh and rough on one hand, but able to deliver an utterly immersive driving experience on the other. We’ve loved and loathed it in equal measure over the years, and if you buy one you will too, but at half the price, it’s twice as enjoyable to drive as the Porsche."
From your last paragraph, you have clearly never driven the latest M cars on the road either or lived with them. They are superb cars, even more so the F10 and the M4. The M4 is a right handful when you want it to be, but also civilised and sensible when your doing normal driving.
I get that some people are not going to like a GTR, thats fair enough, but for the reasons you stated above about it being boring... Yeah right, go drive one on a proper road.
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I've obviously upset you... perhaps because I called your favoured car boring.
Tough... it is boring... in the same way a scoob is boring.
And I'll add that you are wrong... I have driven the cars you mention on the road on more than one occasion, also on the track... probably more than you've driven your GTR seeing how few miles you do, I suspect you've spent more time washing the car than driving it (a comical, not accusatory response to your upset response to me in the other thread - funny that I was trying to help you in that post rather than annoy you).
Your argument is a bit peculiar... what is the point you're trying to make of coasting in RWD/FWD/4WD... please do explain to me how the RWD vs 4WD performance of a 4WD car while it is coasting has ANYTHING to do with the driving dynamics or enjoyability of the vehicle...
Instead of asking me why, you've made a copious amount of assumptions and they happen to be wrong.
I never said they were bad cars... I said they were boring cars and there's a difference... I also owned a Triumph Daytona motorbike and despite being the "best" bike I ever owned, also happened to be the most boring and uninteresting to ride.
You've ignored the qualifying comments I made at the start of my post and gone off on your own tangent based on your assumption that I was attacking the pride you had found in choosing your car, seemingly.
Wherever your quote comes from, I find it odd... I could not find the GTR to be more involving than a Porsche, most definitely the opposite and most other drivers will say something similar.
The GTR is good for making bad drivers drive quickly... to someone who can actually drive a car and likes to play with it (ie not launch control or driving round a corner like the car is set on train track) it is boring... perhaps you find that fun, good for you...
There is no challenge to drive one... ESPECIALLY on a road... on a track when you push it past its limit... then maybe you will find some intrigue... even then it's too easy to bother.
Technically good? Yes... I'd go even as far as to say it is a technical marvel in the way it can hold traction in a corner
Easy to drive fast? Yes, very much so
Interesting to drive once you've got past the pomp and circumstance of launch control? Heck no...
The 911C4S/turbo system is different because it feeeeeeels like a RWD car, even when it is being driven under conditions where it is using the system to its advantage.
R35 feels too much like a Subaru Impreza.
R8 is somewhere between the two... but still not exciting or all that unique.
Are you able to make your own comments, or do you have to rely on a review by someone else to tell you how your own car drives?
Your comments indicate that you can't even tell the difference in driving dynamics between the cars mentioned, whether you've driven them or not
Tough... it is boring... in the same way a scoob is boring.
And I'll add that you are wrong... I have driven the cars you mention on the road on more than one occasion, also on the track... probably more than you've driven your GTR seeing how few miles you do, I suspect you've spent more time washing the car than driving it (a comical, not accusatory response to your upset response to me in the other thread - funny that I was trying to help you in that post rather than annoy you).
Your argument is a bit peculiar... what is the point you're trying to make of coasting in RWD/FWD/4WD... please do explain to me how the RWD vs 4WD performance of a 4WD car while it is coasting has ANYTHING to do with the driving dynamics or enjoyability of the vehicle...
Instead of asking me why, you've made a copious amount of assumptions and they happen to be wrong.
I never said they were bad cars... I said they were boring cars and there's a difference... I also owned a Triumph Daytona motorbike and despite being the "best" bike I ever owned, also happened to be the most boring and uninteresting to ride.
You've ignored the qualifying comments I made at the start of my post and gone off on your own tangent based on your assumption that I was attacking the pride you had found in choosing your car, seemingly.
Wherever your quote comes from, I find it odd... I could not find the GTR to be more involving than a Porsche, most definitely the opposite and most other drivers will say something similar.
The GTR is good for making bad drivers drive quickly... to someone who can actually drive a car and likes to play with it (ie not launch control or driving round a corner like the car is set on train track) it is boring... perhaps you find that fun, good for you...
There is no challenge to drive one... ESPECIALLY on a road... on a track when you push it past its limit... then maybe you will find some intrigue... even then it's too easy to bother.
Technically good? Yes... I'd go even as far as to say it is a technical marvel in the way it can hold traction in a corner
Easy to drive fast? Yes, very much so
Interesting to drive once you've got past the pomp and circumstance of launch control? Heck no...
The 911C4S/turbo system is different because it feeeeeeels like a RWD car, even when it is being driven under conditions where it is using the system to its advantage.
R35 feels too much like a Subaru Impreza.
R8 is somewhere between the two... but still not exciting or all that unique.
Are you able to make your own comments, or do you have to rely on a review by someone else to tell you how your own car drives?
Your comments indicate that you can't even tell the difference in driving dynamics between the cars mentioned, whether you've driven them or not
Turn VDC all the way off in the GTR and it is pretty much dangerous to drive and with it on you have to do silly stuff even in Race to get it moving around.
Same goes for the R8, ESP off and you'll be facing the wrong way pretty quick if you are used to pushing it with the systems on but the V10 and manual gearbox keep it interesting for me at least.
Had a great day at Silverstone a few weeks back driving a R8 V10 Plus testing everything out
. Was wet in the morning and dry in the afternoon so perfect for testing out the systems and limits of grip.
The guys running the day really didn't mind what we did to them after we had the initial instruction following RS5s around Stowe before being let out on the main circuit.
Still easy to drive though with the systems on, I took a mate with me to do some photography but since some owners didn't show up they offered him a car.
Before that the quickest thing he had driven was a Golf 1.something diesel and within a few sessions he was lapping faster than some of the owners!
Personally though I wouldn't want much more excitement/involvement on the road from a car, I have the Panigale for that.
Though something like a GT86 where you can have a lot of fun moving it around without going fast would be good.
Same goes for the R8, ESP off and you'll be facing the wrong way pretty quick if you are used to pushing it with the systems on but the V10 and manual gearbox keep it interesting for me at least.
Had a great day at Silverstone a few weeks back driving a R8 V10 Plus testing everything out
. Was wet in the morning and dry in the afternoon so perfect for testing out the systems and limits of grip.The guys running the day really didn't mind what we did to them after we had the initial instruction following RS5s around Stowe before being let out on the main circuit.
Still easy to drive though with the systems on, I took a mate with me to do some photography but since some owners didn't show up they offered him a car.
Before that the quickest thing he had driven was a Golf 1.something diesel and within a few sessions he was lapping faster than some of the owners!
Personally though I wouldn't want much more excitement/involvement on the road from a car, I have the Panigale for that.
Though something like a GT86 where you can have a lot of fun moving it around without going fast would be good.
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Have you ever driven any of these cars? I found the F10 M5 to be very interesting and very exciting
I've obviously upset you... perhaps because I called your favoured car boring.
Tough... it is boring... in the same way a scoob is boring.
And I'll add that you are wrong... I have driven the cars you mention on the road on more than one occasion, also on the track... probably more than you've driven your GTR seeing how few miles you do, I suspect you've spent more time washing the car than driving it (a comical, not accusatory response to your upset response to me in the other thread - funny that I was trying to help you in that post rather than annoy you).
Your argument is a bit peculiar... what is the point you're trying to make of coasting in RWD/FWD/4WD... please do explain to me how the RWD vs 4WD performance of a 4WD car while it is coasting has ANYTHING to do with the driving dynamics or enjoyability of the vehicle...
Instead of asking me why, you've made a copious amount of assumptions and they happen to be wrong.
I never said they were bad cars... I said they were boring cars and there's a difference... I also owned a Triumph Daytona motorbike and despite being the "best" bike I ever owned, also happened to be the most boring and uninteresting to ride.
You've ignored the qualifying comments I made at the start of my post and gone off on your own tangent based on your assumption that I was attacking the pride you had found in choosing your car, seemingly.
Wherever your quote comes from, I find it odd... I could not find the GTR to be more involving than a Porsche, most definitely the opposite and most other drivers will say something similar.
The GTR is good for making bad drivers drive quickly... to someone who can actually drive a car and likes to play with it (ie not launch control or driving round a corner like the car is set on train track) it is boring... perhaps you find that fun, good for you...
There is no challenge to drive one... ESPECIALLY on a road... on a track when you push it past its limit... then maybe you will find some intrigue... even then it's too easy to bother.
Technically good? Yes... I'd go even as far as to say it is a technical marvel in the way it can hold traction in a corner
Easy to drive fast? Yes, very much so
Interesting to drive once you've got past the pomp and circumstance of launch control? Heck no...
The 911C4S/turbo system is different because it feeeeeeels like a RWD car, even when it is being driven under conditions where it is using the system to its advantage.
R35 feels too much like a Subaru Impreza.
R8 is somewhere between the two... but still not exciting or all that unique.
Are you able to make your own comments, or do you have to rely on a review by someone else to tell you how your own car drives?
Your comments indicate that you can't even tell the difference in driving dynamics between the cars mentioned, whether you've driven them or not
I've obviously upset you... perhaps because I called your favoured car boring.
Tough... it is boring... in the same way a scoob is boring.
And I'll add that you are wrong... I have driven the cars you mention on the road on more than one occasion, also on the track... probably more than you've driven your GTR seeing how few miles you do, I suspect you've spent more time washing the car than driving it (a comical, not accusatory response to your upset response to me in the other thread - funny that I was trying to help you in that post rather than annoy you).
Your argument is a bit peculiar... what is the point you're trying to make of coasting in RWD/FWD/4WD... please do explain to me how the RWD vs 4WD performance of a 4WD car while it is coasting has ANYTHING to do with the driving dynamics or enjoyability of the vehicle...
Instead of asking me why, you've made a copious amount of assumptions and they happen to be wrong.
I never said they were bad cars... I said they were boring cars and there's a difference... I also owned a Triumph Daytona motorbike and despite being the "best" bike I ever owned, also happened to be the most boring and uninteresting to ride.
You've ignored the qualifying comments I made at the start of my post and gone off on your own tangent based on your assumption that I was attacking the pride you had found in choosing your car, seemingly.
Wherever your quote comes from, I find it odd... I could not find the GTR to be more involving than a Porsche, most definitely the opposite and most other drivers will say something similar.
The GTR is good for making bad drivers drive quickly... to someone who can actually drive a car and likes to play with it (ie not launch control or driving round a corner like the car is set on train track) it is boring... perhaps you find that fun, good for you...
There is no challenge to drive one... ESPECIALLY on a road... on a track when you push it past its limit... then maybe you will find some intrigue... even then it's too easy to bother.
Technically good? Yes... I'd go even as far as to say it is a technical marvel in the way it can hold traction in a corner
Easy to drive fast? Yes, very much so
Interesting to drive once you've got past the pomp and circumstance of launch control? Heck no...
The 911C4S/turbo system is different because it feeeeeeels like a RWD car, even when it is being driven under conditions where it is using the system to its advantage.
R35 feels too much like a Subaru Impreza.
R8 is somewhere between the two... but still not exciting or all that unique.
Are you able to make your own comments, or do you have to rely on a review by someone else to tell you how your own car drives?
Your comments indicate that you can't even tell the difference in driving dynamics between the cars mentioned, whether you've driven them or not
Lol you haven't upset me. I was asking why you find the GTR, and all other 4WD cars 'boring' (except a Porsche).
Driving any car is easy, driving a GTR to the limit of its ability it actually quite difficult, you have not realised that, unlss you are Ken Block of course.
Confidence in a car will make you faster than improving the ability of the car itself, hence why a GTR is easy to drive quickly, but not at its limits.
I do very few miles in the GTR, I have quite a few other cars to hoon around in too, but even after the cars I drive in between, going back to the GTR has the biggest excitement, but I have done enough in it to know all about it.
Re the 4WD comment, a lot of 4WD cars are most of the time RWD, it is only when under a lot of acceleration or when the rear starts to lose grip power is sent to the front.
You haven't driven a GTR. Anyone can drive a GTR at 8/10th's, but for anyone to drive a GTR at 10/10th's is impossible, you have never been past the 8/10th's..
The reviews are from people who drive cars day in day out, who have driven Ferrari's, Lamborghini's, MX-5's... You name it, they have driven it. I havent driven all cars but I have a GTR.
P.s what car do you drive.. I'm guessing something like a Supra, RX-7 or Celica?
Anyway, you made your points regardless. This is a Show Us your car thread
