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AMD might have trouble sourcing HBM2 for its next-gen video cards

If you think it's bad now baby you ain't seen nothin' yet!

I agree. Without AMD things will only get worse. The kepler performance issue with some games was only picked up when comparable and slower AMD cards were performing much faster.
When we have nothing to compare to Nvidia can say anything they want if the performance suddenly starts slowing down on a 1-2 year old card. Most likely they'll say old cards have poorer tessellation performance so time to upgrade.;)
 
It's hilarious how much my owning a TX burns you ROFL.

Is it supposed to be some secret club you greg and andy can only join???


I was hoping that comment would spur you to show actual evidence or any results to actually show you've used it or you in fact even own one, but nevermind.
 
So much smack talk over some hardware. It is like being at school again in here.

The bottom line is, the article cannot be trusted and should be read as such. Heck, even if it is true, it doesn't mean that something can't be worked out. So much arguing on something that hasn't happened or proven to be seriously likely.
 
I made a mistake and deleted the video (which was to actually show people how to upload) but for someone to use a archive to get a video like that is pretty sad and then to make a channel to show it is even sadder.

If anyone was offended by me chatting with a mate, then I apologise but at no time was I out to hurt of offend anyone and clearly that was a schoolboy error from me to leave a chat window open.


This is the proper video.

So that you tube channel isn't yours and someone else has retrieved the video from an archive and rehosted it just to show you up, that is low.

The lengths some will go to just to show up another is quite ridiculous.
 
So that you tube channel isn't yours and someone else has retrieved the video from an archive and rehosted it just to show you up, that is low.

The lengths some will go to just to show up another is quite ridiculous.

Nope, that channel is nothing to do with me and as soon as I realised my mistake, I deleted the video (12 hours after uploading it roughly). Someone then does a new channel which only tommybhoy knew about it seems and reposted a deleted video.

I am very angry in truth.
 
This is the last time I'm going to mention any of it - there's no real technical discussion to be too burdened with not continuing to post here.

The persona that's carried with the little clique of unacquainted yet similarly minded friends is what brings these things down, and this is now where it's left - rooting through old archives to try and 'get one over'. I discovered it's a lot easier to just not post half the time and watch the squirming. Greg isn't writing for TT any more than he is for any other site. Other boards are best for technical discussion, where it would appear this clique dare to post too regularly if at all - as there are enough users to shoot down both plainly stupid things posted as fact that are incorrect. The fact this has been brought up at every moment and not to mention rooted up from archives manually is quite frankly disturbing. The only reason these things get mentioned in PM is because of just how personally these news articles get taken. Personally, couldn't really care who is vendor agnostic and who isn't. It's pretty clear to anyone with an ounce of etiquette just who's successfully pinching the raw nerves and who is taking it a little too personally - to unearth removed videos takes a certain amount of pre-planning.

I'll stick to wasting my money on the products we should all care about rather wasting energy on a lost cause. Let's all get along!
 
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Like I said past couple years by people on here was AMDs make or break..

You can all day long discuss how much AMD is loosing Bah, Bah ,Bah

The truth in the matter none, zero of us understand what AMDs situation is money wise. You dont even know how much they getting from console sales..

Are they making much money has Nvidia? I would say no but are AMD making enough to keep them rolling I would say yes based on they was closing down since I can remember.

We can sit on here all day long and discuses a companies wealth but end of the day none of us know.

Luckily there are experts who do know what AMD is going through, using the publicly available information regarding AMD's finances including debt, revenue decline, year-on0year losses, market share decline, etc.:

http://ww2.cfo.com/bankruptcy/2015/04/amds-first-quarter-earnings-fuel-bankruptcy-fears/



It is quite obvious to anyone with an IQ > 50 that if AMD's next round of products dont increase AMD's bottom line then it will be too late and a few years later they will be gone.They have a few years grace on some of their debts but once that is over they have to start repaying $600 million, which is not easy when your are routinely loosing $400 million a year.
 
Luckily there are experts who do know what AMD is going through, using the publicly available information regarding AMD's finances including debt, revenue decline, year-on0year losses, market share decline, etc.:

http://ww2.cfo.com/bankruptcy/2015/04/amds-first-quarter-earnings-fuel-bankruptcy-fears/



It is quite obvious to anyone with an IQ > 50 that if AMD's next round of products dont increase AMD's bottom line then it will be too late and a few years later they will be gone.They have a few years grace on some of their debts but once that is over they have to start repaying $600 million, which is not easy when your are routinely loosing $400 million a year.
Well, guess we should be looking forward to £400 GTX 60 and £999 GTX 80 cards and £1200 for 80Ti cards then in few years time. Better start saving up for that upgrade :p
 
Well, guess we should be looking forward to £400 GTX 60 and £999 GTX 80 cards and £1200 for 80Ti cards then in few years time. Better start saving up for that upgrade :p

There si much more to setting prices than competition, in fact I doubt Nvidia's current pricing is at all effected by AMD otherwise they could be charging more for the 980Ti seeing as it is faster than the FuryX with 50% more VRAM yet costs less.

Nvidia will price cards at a level that people are willing to pay, that is what will maximize their profit. Selling an X80 card at 1G certainly wont achieve that. At the other end of the scale Intel is by far the biggest threat to NVidia and will ensure the bottom end is always competitive, and that in itself will put a limit on the middle end at least.

I doubt prices will really change much at all if we were to loose AMD. I don't think it would be good at all but it is far form the nightmare some AMD crew would have you believe. Nvidia would still need to sell products and that fact itself would dictate a market controlled pricing structure and continued innovation form Nvidia. And as long as Nvidia is making GPUs and compute devices form the same architecture the Intel Phi is going to put huge pressure on Nvidia to keep progressing performance.

It is the desktop CPU market I would be much more worried abut. Nvidia aren't competing with Intel in the CPU market, no one is, they have a free for all. I can see Nvidia and Intel getting very aggressive with HPC compute devices, that will be good for desktop GPUs. But CPUs, there is nothing.


Now, just to be certain, I don't believe it would be good to loose AMD. Nvidia would certainly slow down their innovation until Intel catches up a little. Prices may well rise at the high end, but we already see the ridiculous TX. The market, API, cdeveloper communtiy will end up very closed and be impenetrable for anyone else to try to fill AMD's shoes. DX13 could be very Nvidia-centric.
 
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If the prices get any worse they'll force people out, I'll be one of them and become a console gamer, simple as that, I just can't afford it anymore the way its going, others seem to be lapping up though
 
If the prices get any worse they'll force people out, I'll be one of them and become a console gamer, simple as that, I just can't afford it anymore the way its going, others seem to be lapping up though

DP is spot on. If Nvidia charge too much for little gains, people won't buy and that is that simple. People will want new tech but most have a limit to what they will pay.
 
Even if AMD does go, do people really think the ip's the own will disappear? Some other company will buy whats left of th egpu or cpu divisions and maybe continue. Let's hope it's not Nvidia who does that though.

I'd rather if Intel, MS or Samsung took over and provided some much needed funding.
 
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