10 dead in a US college shooting

platypus · 2 Oct 2015 at 10:48

Heard that this was the 140th "Firearms incident" since 2012 this morning

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It's devastating, but I'm not sure it can still be called a tragedy any more can it? America clearly won't learn; it's verging on farcical.

Uther said:
That was a hard hitting speech by Obama, you could see his frustration. Of course nothing will happen and there'll be another shooting along shortly.

And the Republicans will use it as a stick to beat him with. Yet another move by this left wing socialist President who's let immigrants in, given poor people healthcare, and now what? He wants to restrict constitutional freedoms?

OhEsEcks · 2 Oct 2015 at 10:57

Winky_The_Winking_Turtle said:
Agreed. As morbid as this sounds, the next time a mass shooting happens I hope the murderer post online before hand about how "Fox/CNN/etc. made him do it."

As far as I'm concerned social media/news coverage (especially "live"/24h constant feed...) play a big role in the killers incentive. Not generalising, but typically they tend to be introverted white males who lack social skills, have deep rooted mental issues which have gone untreated, and as a result actually believe they "have nothing to use".

They crave attention, to finally be heard on a grand scale. Imagine going from what feels like being invisible, to an infamous celebrity of sorts being plastered all over the internet, news, etc.

Obviously a skewed view on the matter, just trying to look from a different perspective.

They'd probably still report on it. There's an infamous clip of a suspect being chased and he gets out of his car and legs it. He realises he's not going to get away, stops, puts the gun to his head and pulls the trigger. The news anchor can be heard screaming "get it off, get it off" because the delay wasn't working. Then he apologises profusely for what everyone just witnessed.

I was like "**** you, that's what happens". You make a circus out of it. Entertainment. Choppers following the action. This is the brutal reality. Show it. Let your viewers revel in it.

Like the Corporal Killings in Northern Ireland. People just heard about what was going on in Northern Ireland and there was a detachment. It's over the water. Miles away. And then they were filming an IRA funeral when two soldiers in civvies drove into the cortege and all hell broke loose. Filmed by the news cameras, the soldiers were pulled from their car, beaten, thrown into taxis and driven a short way away where they were stripped and executed. One of the most infamous clips of the troubles. Also one of the most infamous images with Alec Reid giving one of the soldiers his last rites.

It's like "welcome to reality". Hell, they were happy enough to broadcast those two *****s who killed Lee Rigby here. Our news media isn't much better. But then in the day of cameras being on everything, the footage was going to get out, so of course they were going to show it. But for what reason I'm not sure. The Cranberries album titled "everybody else is doing it so why can't we" immediately came to mind.

lurkio · 2 Oct 2015 at 10:57

Sin_Chase said:
Stop reporting on it.

THIS , time and time again psychologist's have stated that the media attention given to the shooter is a prime motivator in making them want to act

Don't mention the shooters name and don't have it all over the media , keep it in local news reports only

Uther · 2 Oct 2015 at 11:02

platypus said:
Heard that this was the 140th "Firearms incident" since 2012 this morning .

It's devastating, but I'm not sure it can still be called a tragedy any more can it? America clearly won't learn; it's verging on farcical.

And the Republicans will use it as a stick to beat him with. Yet another move by this left wing socialist President who's let immigrants in, given poor people healthcare, and now what? He wants to restrict constitutional freedoms?

If you read the responses on the White House feed, that's exactly what they are saying. Maybe it only effects them when their own kids are involved, and maybe not even then.

platypus · 2 Oct 2015 at 11:19

From that feed:

And think of all the billions spent in the name of anti-terrorism since..

Will Gill · 2 Oct 2015 at 11:22

That's a shocking yet not remotely unexpected set of statistics....

gettothechopper · 2 Oct 2015 at 11:22

platypus said:
Heard that this was the 140th "Firearms incident" since 2012 this morning .

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Its worse than that!

Its actually the 142nd School Shooting since 2012 (sandy hook)!

FortuitousFluke · 2 Oct 2015 at 11:25

Another tragedy ripe to be used as a political football. I look forward to a bunch of shameless tools clamouring to further their agendas.

Surely some move towards firm gun control laws has got to be worth a shot now? What will it take for a swing in support? 51% of the population losing a loved one to gun crime?

Glaucus · 2 Oct 2015 at 11:26

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cheesyboy · 2 Oct 2015 at 11:27

FortuitousFluke said:
Another tragedy ripe to be used as a political football. I look forward to a bunch of shameless tools clamouring to further their agendas.

Surely some move towards firm gun control laws has got to be worth a shot now? What will it take for a swing in support? 51% of the population losing a loved one to gun crime?

Is this irony or stupidity?

Glaucus · 2 Oct 2015 at 11:27

Will Gill said:
That's a shocking yet not remotely unexpected set of statistics....

But kind of wrong due to scale chosen, it makes out like there's been no terrorist deaths. Boston marathon bombings killed, and there's been other terrorist.

But it does pale into insignificance compared to gun.

Quartz · 2 Oct 2015 at 11:28

This place was a 'gun-free zone'. So the shooter knew there'd be no one to stop him. Contrast with Israel a few years back when a would-be shooter in a college found that his targets were armed and ready to defend themselves.

John40 · 2 Oct 2015 at 11:31

The bloke who did the killings is English and a supporter of the IRA.

Wonder if Corbyn will be sending flowers to the funeral.

~>Dg<~ · 2 Oct 2015 at 11:32

Uther said:
That was a hard hitting speech by Obama, you could see his frustration. Of course nothing will happen and there'll be another shooting along shortly.

its how the world works. no one knows what causes it.it actually hurts my head when you see all these people trying to solve what cant be solved.

its just a random set of factors that occurred which lead to this sad occurrence. you cant stop it . no one can. no one is to blame except the person that did it.

banishing firearms in usa make no difference.

look in uk.

as soon as they went hardcore on gun ownership in notts alone gun crime went up actually more shootings !

muon · 2 Oct 2015 at 11:33

Quartz said:
This place was a 'gun-free zone'. So the shooter knew there'd be no one to stop him. Contrast with Israel a few years back when a would-be shooter in a college found that his targets were armed and ready to defend themselves.

Or how about you just stop the situation arising.

Getting a gun in the UK isn't as easy as people are making it out even for criminals. Thry tend to be hand guns and very expensive on the black market.

Also the idea that someone can go round stabbing 10 people to death anywhere near as easily is absurd. Guns are efficient killing machines where the other person has next to no ability to defrnd themselves.

shorttricky · 2 Oct 2015 at 11:33

Glaucus said:
But kind of wrong due to scale chosen, it makes out like there's been no terrorist deaths. Boston marathon bombings killed, and there's been other terrorist.

But it does pale into insignificance compared to gun.

That's really the point. In order to fit both on the same graph and still fit it into a sensible size, the terrorism figures barely register.

You can actually see the figures on the graph here - hover over to view

muon · 2 Oct 2015 at 11:35

~>Dg<~ said:
its how the world works. no one knows what causes it.it actually hurts my head when you see all these people trying to solve what cant be solved.

its just a random set of factors that occurred which lead to this sad occurrence. you cant stop it . no one can. no one is to blame except the person that did it.

banishing firearms in usa make no difference.

look in uk.

as soon as they went hardcore on gun ownership in notts alone gun crime went up actually more shootings !

Not sure what stats you have been reading. Gun and knife crime is down massively in Nottingham.

http://m.nottinghampost.com/Gun-kni...-police-turn/story-26697402-detail/story.html

OhEsEcks · 2 Oct 2015 at 11:38

Quartz said:
This place was a 'gun-free zone'. So the shooter knew there'd be no one to stop him. Contrast with Israel a few years back when a would-be shooter in a college found that his targets were armed and ready to defend themselves.

Yeah, but Israel also has conscription for everyone (male and female) over the age of 18 for three years. Except for religious or medical reasons or another reason I can't remember. You're expected to have your firearm with you at all times. So technically, having everyone armed and ready to defend themselves (and the fact they'd received some form of military training) probably saved them.

http://www.vocativ.com/gallery/culture/photos/jasper-whites-young-guns/

OhEsEcks · 2 Oct 2015 at 11:40

John40 said:
The bloke who did the killings is English and a supporter of the IRA.

Sound familiar....

sityeuropa · 2 Oct 2015 at 11:42

~>Dg<~ said:
banishing firearms in usa make no difference.

Of course it would, it would mostly prevent those who would go postal from short term triggers from being able to buy a gun from a supermarket that same day. If they had to wait a week to obtain it or make it so they have to jump through hoops to get it, they may just go postal with something less destructive.