The EU Migrant Crisis

[Beerguzzler]

Answer what? His myopic and bigoted views on billions of people?

Act like a herd?

For the record regarding the debate my opinion is only accept genuine Syrian families in small quotas. Not individuals or people of other countries.

Maybe the first question he asked might be a start, the one before you started throwing insults and went off on a tangent:

"Can one of you actually address what benefit we will actually receive as a country by importing leeching fighting age men who share neither the language or the culture and who adhere to a hard-line belief system above all else that tells them we are all scum and viable targets."

 

[robfosters]

Your right. I'm just pointing out how the background of the community is part of the problem.

Never should happen but it does, maybe it won't in twenty years.

While the muslim population increases it will just become more common. Hardcore islamists seem unable to grasp the idea of living by this countries laws and morals.

 

[FoxEye]

Listen you don't know whether I practise my faith or not, you don't know what denomination I am or what I believe.

Do you really think every Muslim thinks and believes the same thing, like we are the Borg collective?

Islam has many different beliefs within itself yes the core is usually the same but like every human differs by there nature so do they differ in belief.

But if someone were actually to practice islam, I mean to try to abide by every commandment, then you have to conclude they are dangerous.

http://islamqa.info/en/20327

Just one example in the link above - that apostates must be executed. The guy lists about a dozen references to the quran and the sunnah.

If you actually practice your religion, you have to kill apostates (those who leave islam).

So islam is very dangerous, and the only way for it to not be dangerous is if you choose not to practice certain parts of it.

But those who actually practice islam as fully as possible - they are dangerous. No doubt.

 

[B&W]

Plenty of genuine questions have been posed to you. Yet you fail to answer them and resort to insults.

Let me explain why you fail to answer them, because you know your answers would be self incriminating and self defeating.

Want to prove me wrong? Go answer the questions. But I imagine, some dodge or ignoring this post is all that you'll give, just like every other time.

Not one genuine question just goading, insulting whole communities , painting people in the lowest manner.

It's not school sunshine were not in an exam where we get marked. The agenda being set stinks.

 

[Beerguzzler]

While the muslim population increases it will just become more common. Hardcore islamists seem unable to grasp the idea of living by this countries laws and morals.

Which is the rightful concern of many people here. Why is that so hard to grasp B&W?

 

[B&W]

Maybe the first question he asked might be a start, the one before you started throwing insults and went off on a tangent:

"Can one of you actually address what benefit we will actually receive as a country by importing leeching fighting age men who share neither the language or the culture and who adhere to a hard-line belief system above all else that tells them we are all scum and viable targets."

When you quoted my post did you not see that I said we should not import these men?

 

[robfosters]

Not one genuine question just goading, insulting whole communities , painting people in the lowest manner.

It's not school sunshine were not in an exam where we get marked. The agenda being set stinks.

How does accepting more and more muslim immigrants benefit the UK?

There is no goading there, it is a plain and simple question.

Please answer it.

 

[B&W]

Which is the rightful concern of many people here. Why is that so hard to grasp B&W?

Hardcore Islamists are a concern to all of us, most people do abide by the law Muslim or non Muslim.

Why not actually deport those who indoctrinate Minds?

Somebody I know reported such a person to the police and that preacher is still here in that mosque!

Now if some parent attacked the preacher he would be the one in trouble. Something is wrong there.

 

[Beerguzzler]

Hardcore Islamists are a concern to all of us, most people do abide by the law Muslim or non Muslim.

Why not actually deport those who indoctrinate Minds?

Somebody I know reported such a person to the police and that preacher is still here in that mosque!

Now if some parent attacked the preacher he would be the one in trouble. Something is wrong there.

Something we agree on finally!

 

[FoxEye]

Hardcore Islamists are a concern to all of us, most people do abide by the law Muslim or non Muslim.

Why not actually deport those who indoctrinate Minds?

Somebody I know reported such a person to the police and that preacher is still here in that mosque!

Now if some parent attacked the preacher he would be the one in trouble. Something is wrong there.

Do you believe apostates (ex-muslims) should be executed?

Do you understand why some people would say "yes"? If you are a 100% practising muslim, would the answer be "yes" or "no"?

What is a "hardcore muslim"? Someone who practices all the commandments?

 

[B&W]

How does accepting more and more muslim immigrants benefit the UK?

There is no goading there, it is a plain and simple question.

Please answer it.

In the interests of this thread your question makes sense and at the same time it doesn't.

To accept a genuine family from Syria as refugees is something I think all nations should do particularly those neighbouring Syria.

Young men without families or those from other countries where there is no war I'm not too keen on but again what about genuine homosexuals escaping Pakistan or Afghanistan?

It's not so simple as we want it to be. now I understand that because they're Muslim some people think it will mean they have tendencies to rape or terrorise etc.

But do remember it's a minority of those who actually do things.

So them being Muslim doesn't really matter, now if hundreds of thousands came then I would understand and share your concern. It would change the landscape too much.

Genuine families escaping war? They don't pose a threat and being Muslim or not does not matter. Most Muslims I know work and pay taxes , we help out others when they need help and look after our neighbors (Muslim or not).

And by the way it's quite difficult for people from the two countries I mentioned to legally settle here.

 

[robfosters]

So basically you're saying it's our duty to take the genuine refugees, but they do not benefit the country in any way?

 

[B&W]

Do you believe apostates (ex-muslims) should be executed?

Do you understand why some people would say "yes"? If you are a 100% practising muslim, would the answer be "yes" or "no"?

What is a "hardcore muslim"? Someone who practices all the commandments?

Usually don't like to answer these things but I do think your genuine so I will. No I don't, the practising Muslim I know closest would say no.

I know some one else who never practises and he will say yes.

Why I'm not into religion so much is because every one has there own take on it, they follow what ever comes naturally to them or what they like.

One guy says I'm right the other one says I am it's just there opinions at the end of the day and there interpretation. And being human I'm sure it's not perfect.

 

[B&W]

So basically you're saying it's our duty to take the genuine refugees, but they do not benefit the country in any way?

I do believe genuine refugee families will benefit the country as I said they will work hard and strive the best for there kids.

This is what drives all of us.

Duty I don't think so I believe it's the Arabs duty, amazing how a non Muslim country has done so much and these filthy arab regimes like Saudi have done nothing.

 

[robfosters]

I do believe genuine refugee families will benefit the country as I said they will work hard and strive the best for there kids.

This is what drives all of us.

Duty I don't think so I believe it's the Arabs duty, amazing how a non Muslim country has done so much and these filthy arab regimes like Saudi have done nothing.

You could be right, but sometimes I wonder whether or not the welfare system here is so generous that it would be such a culture shock to these people to get so much for nothing that they would not feel it's worth them working.

 

[Tefal]

I do believe genuine refugee families will benefit the country as I said they will work hard and strive the best for there kids.

This is what drives all of us.

Duty I don't think so I believe it's the Arabs duty, amazing how a non Muslim country has done so much and these filthy arab regimes like Saudi have done nothing.

i should point out here we're not taking healthy families we're taking the absolutely most vulnerable and desperate, the ill, disabled, people crippled through torture etc.

the 20,000 we're taking will never pay for the cost of their support.

but the question is what is the cost of not helping in terms of conscience of leaving these people to be further abused in camps where they cant defend themselves.

 

[B&W]

Well then they have no place in this country if this is the social fabric they bring with them.

When our grandfathers came here in the 50s you should have said no then. It's not my fault I was born here.

However things have changed allot, forced marriages are on the decline people are dressing up in the western style, a lot of people call Pakistan ** Swear words must be fully starred ** and hate going there. Girlfriends are becoming common and thus are love marriages.

Less people are getting married from abroad and it's getting harder to, people are having less kids compared to there fathers and grandfathers.

 

[Tefal]

When our grandfathers came here in the 50s you should have said no then. It's not my fault I was born here.

However things have changed allot, forced marriages are on the decline people are dressing up in the western style, a lot of people call Pakistan s*** and hate going there. Girlfriends are becoming common and thus are love marriages.

Less people are getting married from abroad and it's getting harder to, people are having less kids compared to there fathers and grandfathers.

really but they're reporting massive rises in first cousin marriages from family back in Pakistan lately to the point were seeing large rises in genetic conditions from inbreeding.

 

[Nutella33]

You could be right, but sometimes I wonder whether or not the welfare system here is so generous that it would be such a culture shock to these people to get so much for nothing that they would not feel it's worth them working.

And again, it depends on those arriving. The quarter of a million somali's in the UK have appalling rates of employment and education. well worse than other immigrant groups in the same situation.

I do believe genuine refugee families will benefit the country as I said they will work hard and strive the best for there kids.

Genuine question. How do you know if they are genuine refugee's if you take germanys approach and just take who walks across the border? What if they dont have kids (again the quoted demographics of the influx is overwhelmingly single males)?

Isn't the British approach of taking from the camps, prioritising families and checking who they take in better? curious on your view.

 

[Tefal]

Genuine question. How do you know if they are genuine refugee's if you take germanys approach and just take who walks across the border? What if they dont have kids (again the quoted demographics of the influx is overwhelmingly single males)?

Isn't the British approach of taking from the camps, prioritising families and checking who they take in better?

he ahas never said we should take the German approach, he has said he is in favour of our current approach of taking from the camps.