Disgusting Politics

I have a plan.

Keep the pension as is, but stop all benefits going to johnny foreigner until paid into system for 5 years.

Job done
 
platypus said:
The comments aside, some of which are indeed pretty horrible, why shouldn't we be looking at the pensioners?

They are the only people that have been protected from austerity so far, and given everything else that's being taken away that they had for granted, given where the wealth is concentrated in this country they shouldn't be immune.

Or do you favour penalising the younger generations to foot the bill, whilst the privileges we are paying for are removed from them?
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Perhaps pensioners should be given more protection from austerity than younger and fitter people on the grounds that they are unlikely (as a group) to be in any position to do anything to improve their situation should cuts be imposed on their incomes.

Young, physically fit people "should" be in a position to do more for themselves if their benefits are cut
 
I'm not sure the mantra of; "they'll be dead soon anyway" is necessarily the correct focus for the driving of policy. I know that political parties effectively exist to further their own agendas, but I don't know if I want the Country run by people who are only interested in the wellbeing of those who can vote for them next time round.
 
I believe in taxing the big corporations properly and not letting them get away with it. That would pretty much stop this argument. Tories are an utter joke.
 
eatcustard said:
I have a plan.

Keep the pension as is, but stop all benefits going to johnny foreigner until paid into system for 5 years.

Job done
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Even the most basic of maths will cause your 'plan' to fall flat in a breath.

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Not that I agree with the comments by the think tank, it is pretty clear pensioners due to their turn out to vote get well looked after by all of the parties.

If more 18-25s turned up to vote, they wouldn't be on the chopping block endlessly. I say this in hindsight, as an 18-25 who infrequently voted but only now realise why I should have.
 
Shocking to read to be honest. Is the state pension really a benefit when you have paid into for your entire workling life? I take on board comments regarding some pensioners out there deemed as 'Rich' having winter fuel allowance etc cut. Question is what do we define as rich?

Earning 60K a year at present will see any child benefit cut as a single earner, however should both parents be earning £49.999 each no benefits are stopped at all. Granted this is a different issue but I throw it into the mix purely to demonstrate our Gov's logic.

I would much rather see cash go to the old who have paid into the system throughout their working life and are now unable to work, than see benefits to those too idle to work or not having even contributed!
 
darael said:
That's a pretty disgusting way to talk about anybody, let alone pensioners. Talk about lack of respect.

However I do agree that the pensioners have been very nicely cushioned from cuts, I seem to recall that, if anything, they continued to receive cosy increases in their income while others either received cuts or stayed the same. I have always felt that this government has been sucking up to pensioners.

Remember - we're all in this together.
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That's because they do, as they're the biggest voting group. The sooner other, younger age groups begin to vote in high percentages, we should see political policies changing. Here's hoping any way.
 
I'm finding some of the comments very interesting. I'll wait a while before commenting further, but there are a few things I'd like to pick up on for sure.
 
StriderX said:
It's hardly logical though is it?

We used to live in a time where we simply looked after our elderly, but apparently booting them off to a home or some ******** is good for them.
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An elderly relative of mine who was widowed and lived alone took ill and ended up in hospital for 7 months. She could hardly look after herself before going into hospital and she was getting daily visits from her daughters.

Once she was released from Hospital she went straight into a home. Since going into the home she has improved leaps and bounds. She is clearly happier now that she has people there to look after her 24 hours a day and also other people to keep her company. Her daughters have also had a huge load lifted from their shoulders.

So yes "booting" her off to a home was good for her.
 
estebanrey said:
Removing all tax loop holes/schemes, scrapping trident, getting rid of Nom-Dom status, halving the military budget etc would also "work" but the 'Tax Payers Alliance' funnily aren't suggesting any of those things and they never do.

One of the most inaccurately named groups around, they should change their name to the "People who earn far more than the average wage who be-grudge every penny of their taxes going to support people less well off than them alliance".
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The fact we haven't had been nuked or invaded tells me Trident is providing good value for money
 
Kronos said:
The UK is well down the league table when it comes to the state pension. http://conversation.which.co.uk/money/uk-state-pension-comparison-serps/

And we also trail most European countries when it comes to cancer survival rates. http://www.theguardian.com/society/...l-10-years-behind-those-in-european-countries

We are also bottom when it comes to rail services http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...lways-are-worst-in-europe-league-6579631.html

All this from an 'Advanced nation' but hey lets spend a 100 billion on a new nuclear deterrent.
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You know who to vote for at the next Scottish election then!
 
aardvark said:
since when does the government listen to the tax payers alliance? they haven't in the past.
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how about we just sort out country out and stop shelling out money to other countries ?

we always in debt this or that then you see on news how we just gave some third world country 500 million or a billion .
 
lovelyhead said:
I notice that the 95% of other countries who don't have nukes, also haven't been nuked.
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Because all the counties with nukes (except Israel) have signed up to "The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty", that means those with nukes will not nuke those without nukes.
 
Orionaut said:
Perhaps pensioners should be given more protection from austerity than younger and fitter people on the grounds that they are unlikely (as a group) to be in any position to do anything to improve their situation should cuts be imposed on their incomes.

Young, physically fit people "should" be in a position to do more for themselves if their benefits are cut
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I'm not just talking about benefits. I'm talking about privileges that the older generations took for granted and are now taking away from the younger generations.
 
lovelyhead said:
I notice that the 95% of other countries who don't have nukes, also haven't been nuked.
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Plenty have been invaded. Also we haven't had any major wars in the past 70 years either, funny that, it's strange what mutually assured destruction can do for world peace.
 
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