Alex Salmond: A second Scottish referendum is inevitible

[lovelyhead]

ok how about a watch dog? discussing actual spending figures?

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/independence-referendum-snp-cut-nhs-4207020

Oh yes the institute of fiscal studies who are totally independent and certainly completely un-biased. The worst they can do is say the SNP reduced spending by 1%. I wonder if there were any efficiency improvements made to negate that 1% reduction in funding?

i have no idea what news organisations are pro or anti im goign by whats the top of google.

I do know though that political parites are alsmost certainly untrustworthy, for iusntacenyou jsut dismissed a source because it ewas labour based

I'll give you a clue. If it is in any paper other than the Sunday Herald or The National, it will be anti SNP. If it is on TV, it is anti SNP.

You posted an opinion piece written by Labour supporters who are against the SNP. Of course they are going to try and portray the SNP in a negative light.

I've never actually seen someone so...deluded for want of any other word.
This really isn't a discussion. This is no more than arguing with a mouthpiece for snp propaganda.

Is that the best you have got? I show that all the supposed sources of the SNP doing terribly in government to be from anti SNP sources and the best you can do is call me names.

A bit sad really.

If the SNP government is so terrible, why did they get 50% of the vote?

If they are so terrible why is Nicola Sturgeon the only party leader in the UK that voters view favourably?

"Yougov/Times poll on Holyrood voting intentions showed support for the SNP at 51% - up two points - in the constituency vote and 45% on the regional vote - also up on two points on the same poll in May. The poll shows an increase in the SNP’s lead, with Labour falling three points on constituency vote to 22% and a further four points on the regional vote to 20%.

The poll also showed that Scotland’s First Minister Nicola Sturgeon was the only party leader to be viewed favourably by the public, receiving a positive rating of +56. David Cameron received a rating of -34, and Kezia Dugdale received a rating of -15.

A Survation/Daily Mail poll also showed an increase in support for the SNP with 53% backing the party in the constituency - a lead of 31% over Labour."

If they are so terrible why are they on course to get another majority at Holyrood, which is a very difficult thing to do.

Maybe it could be that the people of Scotland actually don't buy the unionist propoganda and actually think the SNP do a decent job.

 

[Dis86]

Is that the best you have got? I show that all the supposed sources of the SNP doing terribly in government to be from anti SNP sources and the best you can do is call me names.

A bit sad really.

I haven't called you a single name dear. You're very hypocritical however so perhaps that counts as a name to your delicate constitution?
You dismissed all the sources on account of them being 'anti snp' when the only sources you can provide are pro snp or the snp themselves. I've not seen you provide anything independent at all.

 

[ubersonic]

It was an opinion piece. If he comes back with sources for all those claims then I might respond to it.


** Proceeds to get owned so much that Tefal may be arrested for slavery **

Best laugh I've had all day

 

[lovelyhead]

I haven't called you a single name dear. You're very hypocritical however so perhaps that counts as a name to your delicate constitution?
You dismissed all the sources on account of them being 'anti snp' when the only sources you can provide are pro snp or the snp themselves. I've not seen you provide anything independent at all.

I wasn't the one trying to make the argument that the SNP has done poorly in government backed up solely by clearly biased anti SNP sources.

Best laugh I've had all day

If you call that being owned when I have shown all the sources as being anti SNP then you have pretty low standards!

 

[n111ck]

That was just the usual Macro rant. Nothing in there that needs answering.

Meh, v disappointed - losing your touch.

 

[lovelyhead]

You guys really are on poor form today. Monday blues! You are cheering us up on the other forum though!

 

[Tefal]

Oh yes the institute of fiscal studies who are totally independent and certainly completely un-biased. The worst they can do is say the SNP reduced spending by 1%. I wonder if there were any efficiency improvements made to negate that 1% reduction in funding?

were there any efficiency improvements?

so SNP cut spending by 1%

tories increased spending by 4%..

but its the snp who are protecting the nhs?

 

[lovelyhead]

Meh, v disappointed - losing your touch.

I know I should have just stuck to my guns and not wore my keyboard out a bit more having to show that it was simply an opinion piece backed by clearly anti SNP sources!

 

[ubersonic]

If the SNP government is so terrible, why did they get 50% of the vote?

Because Sturgeon went around the country telling Labour voters that if they voted for the SNP she would make sure Miliband became PM not Cameron, plus she would secure some nice bonuses for Scotland in exchange for supporting him. As a result of that masses of Labour voters switched sides (as you would expect, because who wouldn't want to eat their cake and get bonus cake) sadly her plan backfired (for the people of the UK, not for her) with the result being a Tory majority government because lots of English/Welsh voters abandoned Labour to avoid the prospect of Miliband as PM propped up by Sturgeon.

The is 0 chance that the SNP will repeat that, the historical Labour voters would have instantly regretted what happened and the Lib Dem turncoats will now be seeing that their party was actually instrumental in curbing the Tory's wickedness and they were wrong to desert it.

 

[Dis86]

I wasn't the one trying to make the argument that the SNP has done poorly in government backed up solely by clearly biased anti SNP sources.

No, you're the one who tries to say they're doing well based on purely pro snp sources and dismisses out of hand anything negative as being anti snp and therefore invalid.
You are not willing to discuss anything. You are not able to accept any criticism. You are not willing to consider other points of view.
This isn't a discussion. This is you being nothing more than a propaganda mouthpiece as I said before.

 

[Tefal]

I'll give you a clue. If it is in any paper other than the Sunday Herald or The National, it will be anti SNP. If it is on TV, it is anti SNP.

you just dismissed one article because it was written by the herald as anti snp?

Your story from the anti SNP herald

now you're saying the herald is ok?

You posted an opinion piece written by Labour supporters who are against the SNP. Of course they are going to try and portray the SNP in a negative light.

yeah because the snp wont be bias at all talking about the snp.

if i posted a source about the Tories written by the Tories you'd dismiss it wouldn't you?

 

[ubersonic]

If you call that being owned when I have shown all the sources as being anti SNP then you have pretty low standards!

The problem is you didn't, you showed them as being mostly unbiased, it's just from your viewpoint anything not pro-SNP = anti-SNP.

 

[lovelyhead]

were there any efficiency improvements?

so SNP cut spending by 1%

tories increased spending by 4%..

but its the snp who are protecting the nhs?

I don't know. Increasing spending doesn't automatically result in a better service and reducing spending doesn't automatically result in a poorer service. The Scottish people obviously don't have major concerns with the SNP's record though.

Because Sturgeon went around the country telling Labour voters that if they voted for the SNP she would make sure Miliband became PM not Cameron, plus she would secure some nice bonuses for Scotland in exchange for supporting him. As a result of that masses of Labour voters switched sides (as you would expect, because who wouldn't want to eat their cake and get bonus cake) sadly her plan backfired (for the people of the UK, not for her) with the result being a Tory majority government because lots of English/Welsh voters abandoned Labour to avoid the prospect of Miliband as PM propped up by Sturgeon.

The is 0 chance that the SNP will repeat that, the historical Labour voters would have instantly regretted what happened and the Lib Dem turncoats will now be seeing that their party was actually instrumental in curbing the Tory's wickedness and they were wrong to desert it.

All the polls show the SNP heading for another majority (in the region of 50% of the vote) at the Holyrood elections next year. How does that fit into your narrow world view?

No, you're the one who tries to say they're doing well based on purely pro snp sources and dismisses out of hand anything negative as being anti snp and therefore invalid.
You are not willing to discuss anything. You are not able to accept any criticism. You are not willing to consider other points of view.
This isn't a discussion. This is you being nothing more than a propaganda mouthpiece as I said before.

Most of the sources I post are from YouGov, Survation etc.

Independent pollsters.

 

[n111ck]

I know I should have just stuck to my guns and not wore my keyboard out a bit more having to show that it was simply an opinion piece backed by clearly anti SNP sources!

I think he has you beat - was considering illegally immigrating to Glasgow because it sounds great, not any more!

 

[ubersonic]

All the polls show the SNP heading for another majority (in the region of 50% of the vote) at the Holyrood elections next year. How does that fit into your narrow world view?

Perfectly, the SNP are expected to win the Scotland elections, just like UKIP are expected to do well in Euro elections lol.

It's UK elections where they are now a spent force, knowing that vote SNP = get Tories will change a lot of peoples opinions next time, especially knowing they could have prevented this had they not been greedy.

 

[lovelyhead]

you just dismissed one article because it was written by the herald as anti snp?



now you're saying the herald is ok?




yeah because the snp wont be bias at all talking about the snp.

if i posted a source about the Tories written by the Tories you'd dismiss it wouldn't you?

You clearly don't have an understanding of the Scottish media.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/opini...there_s_more_far_reaching_further_devolution/

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...is_first_paper_to_back_Scottish_independence/

I think he has you beat - was considering illegally immigrating to Glasgow because it sounds great, not any more!

Cool story bro!

 

[Elixir]

I don't know.

First accurate thing you've said in a long time.

 

[lovelyhead]

Perfectly, the SNP are expected to win the Scotland elections, just like UKIP are expected to do well in Euro elections lol.

It's UK elections where they are now a spent force, knowing that vote SNP = get Tories will change a lot of peoples opinions next time, especially knowing they could have prevented this had they not been greedy.

Good one. You do know that is completely just your opinion and in no way reflects reality!

So if you don't vote for SNP because (according to you) you get the Tories are you suggesting the Scot's will ditch the SNP and vote Labour? Or perhaps the Lib Dems? Or maybe UKIP!

And you all claim I am the mental one!

First accurate thing you've said in a long time.

Do you know? Or are you arguing based solely on what you read in unionist supporting sources?

 

[ubersonic]

Good one. You do know that is completely just your opinion and in no way reflects reality!

It's the current most accurate prediction based on all available data.

So if you don't vote for SNP because (according to you) you get the Tories are you suggesting the Scot's will ditch the SNP and vote Labour? Or perhaps the Lib Dems? Or maybe UKIP!

It's quite simple, the 40 constituencies that abandoned Labour for the SNP on the promise of still getting Labour plus extra deals for Scotland that the SNP would squeeze out of Miliband, will have learnt the folly of that plan (that it results in a Tory PM), plus Corbyn will appeal to them much more than Miliband did.

The 10 constituencies that abandoned the Lib Dems for the SNP because they felt betrayed by their party helping the Tories will have learnt the folly of that plan (that they were never helping the Tories, they were helping their voters by protecting them from the horrors of a majority Tory government), plus Farron will appeal to them much more than Clegg did.

The SNPs chances of holding onto it's seats in 2020 as basically none existent, they are just counting down the clock as the Lib Dems were as 2015 approached.

And you all claim I am the mental one!

I never said you were mental, you are obviously quite clever, you just design you posts to make yourself look mental for maximum trolling potential.

 

[grumpysculler]

I wasn't the one trying to make the argument that the SNP has done poorly in government backed up solely by clearly biased anti SNP sources.

So, let me get this right.

You want an article that supports the SNP, while at the same time critical of them?

It never seems to sink in that a rather large number of us aren't against the SNP because they are the SNP (which is the message the SNP and its supporters would like the world to believe). We oppose the SNP because they are **** in government.