Received a PCN any advice?

[iaind]

But you cant turn left after those lights and the signs on it though.

Eh? Whats that got to do with anything?

The sign means dont turn right there, so dont turn right. The sign isnt there to tell you what you can do, it's there to tell you what you can't (Which is turning right). The sign before it tells you what you must do, which is turn left.

Christ it's not rocket science - no wonder people keep getting fined if everyone is as easily confused as posters in this thread. The issue isnt the signs, its the general public being devoid of any common sense or observational skills

 

[asim18]

The sign means "Turn Left Ahead"

The order given by the sign is to turn left. Ahead.

Eh? Whats that got to do with anything?

You just said it what do you mean what's it got to do with anything?

You said it means you have to turn left "AHEAD". And I'm agreeing you cant actually turn left ahead, after the sign. If you have to bear left you need to do it before that sign which means that sign has nothing to do with bearing left therefore it should be a no entry sign.

 

[[TW]Fox]

The traffic light has an obvious no right turn except buses sign on it.

The end.

 

[asim18]

The traffic light has an obvious no right turn except buses sign on it.

The end.

But you're not actually turning "right" after the sign though. You are just "entering" because it leads to ONE place. That sign suggests there are still other options available after the sign if you're not a bus or cyclist.

 

[ubersonic]

Eh? Whats that got to do with anything?

I think his argument is the signs being placed on the Y, it's much clearer what his issue is if you remove all the clutter from the scene:

 

[[TW]Fox]

But you're not actually turning "right" after the sign though. You are just "entering" because it leads to ONE place. That sign suggests there are other options available if you're not a bus or cyclist.

It's a right turn onto a main road. You have two choices at this junction - left or right. Turning right is prohibited unless you are a bus or a cyclist.

It really is that simple.

 

[Rroff]

Looks like a mixed story to me - the turn left sign is clear in itself but not particularly well placed, the left one of the 2 turn right forbidden signs (both of which are kind of small) could easily be obscured in the dark by the light from the traffic lights themselves (try looking into a bright light in the dark and noticing detail of anything close around it).

Would be better IMO if there was a proper red and white no turning right sign of the same size as the blue one at the junction itself.

 

[[TW]Fox]

I think his argument is the signs being placed on the Y, it's much clearer what his issue is if you remove all the clutter from the scene:

There are two signs - its just a bit blurry in street view. One on each traffic light, therefore, one each side of the lane to which the restriction applies.

Seriously, its obvious. Don't go that way if you are not a bus.

Why is this even a debate?

 

[asim18]

It's a right turn onto a main road. You have two choices at this junction - left or right. Turning right is prohibited unless you are a bus or a cyclist.

It really is that simple.

But the sign isn't at a junction lol it's at a traffic light threshold which leads to ONE place only. Bearing left has nothing to do with that sign because you're continuing on the same road.

 

[[TW]Fox]

But the sign isn't at a junction lol it's at a traffic light leading to ONE place. Bearing left has nothing to do with that sign.

How is it not at a junction? What on earth is that traffic light setup doing if it's not controlling entry at a junction!?

Of course it's on a junction, thats why there are traffic lights! A road is joining a main road, and those joining the main road can only turn left unless they are a bus. It's really not very hard.

 

[asim18]

How is it not at a junction? What on earth is that traffic light setup doing if it's not controlling entry at a junction!?

Of course it's on a junction, thats why there are traffic lights! A road is joining a main road, and those joining the main road can only turn left unless they are a bus. It's really not very hard.

But you're not turning left after the sign!!!

The left turn has nothing to do with the junction which allows the busses to turn right. The left turn is a simple give way unrelated to the traffic light system for letting buses turn right! If you look at the bus junction the signs are ONLY on that specific threshold, NOT the entire width of the road which would have encompassed the left bearing as well, the threshold is marked absolutely specifically, meaning that after that specific threshold there are still options available to go if you're not a bus or cyclist and you CAN still enter that specific threshold if you're a car.

 

[dacads]

You could try appealing I guess, would be interesting to see the outcome. Otherwise let's be real you made a honest mistake so you could pay the fine and move on

 

[Rroff]

Seriously, its obvious. Don't go that way if you are not a bus.

Why is this even a debate?

Obvious in daylight - IMO at night the don't turn red light closest to the driver could be obscured by the light from the traffic lights themselves and I couldn't guess at how well the one on the far right would be illuminated.

If you look at a few of these the don't turn sign is usually hooded so that the light above can't so easily obscure them i.e.

http://www.freefoto.com/images/21/17/21_17_15---Traffic-Lights_web.jpg

These are not:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5...4!1sHjpWAHMqZEvZXfqLbrBwMw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

 

[iaind]

Obvious in daylight - IMO at night the don't turn red light closest to the driver could be obscured by the light from the traffic lights themselves and I couldn't guess at how well the one on the far right would be illuminated.

If only they'd thought to have put a sign a bit further down the road telling you which way to go....

 

[Rroff]

If only they'd thought to have put a sign a bit further down the road telling you which way to go....

Which is a fair way down the road so a bit mixed story - personally think the council is being a bit lazy/saving money at the cost of the motorist - no reason why it couldn't be much more plainly signed.

 

[iaind]

Which is a fair way down the road so a bit mixed story - personally think the council is being a bit lazy/saving money at the cost of the motorist - no reason why it couldn't be much more plainly signed.

It's close enough that you can obviously see the lights and the no right turn signs from there

 

[Rroff]

It's close enough that you can obviously see the lights and the no right turn signs from there

I don't think the OP should get away with it - personally with a junction setup like that I'd be double checking the signs even if I'd missed/not made the connection with the first one - but at the same time I think the council is taking the mick a bit - in the dark and not familiar with the area the signage is skating with being adequate - no reason why there couldn't be a nice big no right turn sign just before the junction that would leave nothing to chance.

 

[jaackla]

Right honestly yeah i made a mistake im not even trying to deny that i turned right i got a ticket, but thank you to the people actually fighting my corner, personally i dont no why there wasent road marking ect the ammount of money they have made through tickets from this road they could have easily made signs ect a lot more clear and put road markings. yes im in the wrong but people saying they wouldent have done that mistake at 10pm when its dark in a place you have no clue where you are, im sure quite a lot of you would have done what i did if that right turn was your way home and you didnt notice any no right turns. i saw green light so i carried on

 

[ubersonic]

There are two signs - its just a bit blurry in street view. One on each traffic light, therefore, one each side of the lane to which the restriction applies.

Yes, and after that the is a junction were you could turn right (into oncoming traffic) or carry on ahead (as the buses are supposed too). The big problem is that because the no right turn signs are places after the junction they refer too it looks like they refer to the junction immediately after them.

personally i dont no why there wasent road marking ect the ammount of money they have made through tickets from this road they could have easily made signs ect a lot more clear and put road markings

But if they made it clear they would stop making the money

I don't think the OP should get away with it - personally with a junction setup like that I'd be double checking the signs even if I'd missed/not made the connection with the first one - but at the same time I think the council is taking the mick a bit - in the dark and not familiar with the area the signage is skating with being adequate - no reason why there couldn't be a nice big no right turn sign just before the junction that would leave nothing to chance.

Agreed, simply putting no entry signs on the junction would solve all of the problems (but also cut off the extra funding).

 

[iaind]

Right honestly yeah i made a mistake im not even trying to deny that i turned right i got a ticket, but thank you to the people actually fighting my corner, personally i dont no why there wasent road marking ect the ammount of money they have made through tickets from this road they could have easily made signs ect a lot more clear and put road markings. yes im in the wrong but people saying they wouldent have done that mistake at 10pm when its dark in a place you have no clue where you are, im sure quite a lot of you would have done what i did if that right turn was your way home and you didnt notice any no right turns. i saw green light so i carried on

Your posts hurt to read.

Try to pay more attention on the road in future though.