Alex Salmond: A second Scottish referendum is inevitible

Mark3h · 6 Oct 2015 at 15:28

I feel obliged to point out the edit button, 4 posts back to back is a bit excessive, especially when added together, it would still be quite a small post.

Before you go using this as an example of the English always putting you down though, I should remind you I'm Northern Irish.

lovelyhead · 6 Oct 2015 at 15:31

Mark3h said:
I feel obliged to point out the edit button, 4 posts back to back is a bit excessive, especially when added together, it would still be quite a small post.

Before you go using this as an example of the English always putting you down though, I should remind you I'm Northern Irish.

I'm sorry. Is the Overclockers server running low on storage space?

ubersonic · 6 Oct 2015 at 15:36

lovelyhead said:
OK examples please.

Okay, aside from acting loutish in parliament and causing a ruckus (which thankfully they haven't done again after being warned they would be ejected if they did. How about announcing they would be using their votes to scupper an attempt to repeal the fox hunting ban? (forcing the vote to be postponed until after the English votes for English laws rule is implemented).

They obviously don't care about fox hunting being banned (or they would use their majority to ban it in Scotland) they were just doing it to fuel anti-Scottish resentment among some English that would result in anti-English resentment among more Scots (helping the SNPs anti-UK agenda).

lovelyhead · 6 Oct 2015 at 15:50

ubersonic said:
Okay, aside from acting loutish in parliament and causing a ruckus (which thankfully they haven't done again after being warned they would be ejected if they did.

That is class. I notice you didn't actually write what it was they did that you describe as loutish! For the uninformed it was clapping! Yes clapping!

Although John Bercow, who gave the SNP a row for clapping, seems to think it is OK in other circumstances!

Double standards? Nah definitely not!

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ercow-tears-william-hague-secret-ballot-video

ubersonic said:
How about announcing they would be using their votes to scupper an attempt to repeal the fox hunting ban? (forcing the vote to be postponed until after the English votes for English laws rule is implemented).

They were entirely within their right to vote against the fox hunting bill if that is what they wanted. The only people the SNP were working against on that occasion were the toffs who love to go around tearing foxes limb from limb. I think the SNP were on the right side of the UK public's opinion in that case!

Weak sauce uber. Weak sauce.

Woden · 6 Oct 2015 at 15:58

Did the SNP ban fox hunting in Scotland? Honest question, I don't know.

lovelyhead · 6 Oct 2015 at 16:12

Woden said:
Did the SNP ban fox hunting in Scotland? Honest question, I don't know.

It was a bill brought forward by Labour MSP Mike Watson with support from SNP MSP Tricia Marwick.

I actually think this is one area the SNP should do better on. I think the Westminster vote on Fox hunting would bring the English hunting laws into parity with the Scottish laws which are actually less strict than the English laws.

The SNP have indicated they plan on making the Scottish laws the same as the English laws in regard to fox hunting.

http://www.thenational.scot/politic...hunting-after-noting-strength-of-feeling.5187

grumpysculler · 6 Oct 2015 at 19:34

lovelyhead said:
They were entirely within their right to vote against the fox hunting bill if that is what they wanted. The only people the SNP were working against on that occasion were the toffs who love to go around tearing foxes limb from limb. I think the SNP were on the right side of the UK public's opinion in that case!

So you don't see any hypocrisy in the SNP voting to keep E&W fox hunting rules stricter than Scottish ones? The proposal would have brought E&W into line with the legislation that the SNP put in place in Scotland.

So why do the SNP think it should be one rule for England and another for Scotland?

The SNP have indicated they plan on making the Scottish laws the same as the English laws in regard to fox hunting.

Yeah, um, we might do something sometime. Although it isn't in our manifesto nor is it an issue we have allocated any parliamentary time to.

[TW]Fox · 6 Oct 2015 at 19:36

lovelyhead said:
But it is the English (in nearly every general election for the last 100 years) who choose who is in power in Westminster. This was demonstrated at the last general election. It wouldn't have made any difference if Labour won every seat in Scotland.

It isn't 'The English' who choose, it's The UK who chooses. We are one entity.

lovelyhead · 6 Oct 2015 at 19:44

grumpysculler said:
So you don't see any hypocrisy in the SNP voting to keep E&W fox hunting rules stricter than Scottish ones? The proposal would have brought E&W into line with the legislation that the SNP put in place in Scotland.

So why do the SNP think it should be one rule for England and another for Scotland?

Yeah, um, we might do something sometime. Although it isn't in our manifesto nor is it an issue we have allocated any parliamentary time to.

As I said, I feel the SNP have been a bit lacking on the matter. We will see if they keep their word.

[TW]Fox;28651923 said:
It isn't 'The English' who choose, it's The UK who chooses. We are one entity.

OK how about the South of Britain chooses the government for the north of Britain, the region to the west of south Britain and the British part of Ireland.

Is that more accurate for you?

WithMyApologies · 6 Oct 2015 at 19:57

I think it's disgusting that people like Salmond and Sturgeon are even still banging on about this.

If they have another vote and YES wins, can the NO voters then ask for another one? It'll be a never-ending wave of votes.

Utterly pointless.

Bear · 6 Oct 2015 at 19:58

lovelyhead said:
OK how about the South of Britain chooses the government for the north of Britain, the region to the west of south Britain and the British part of Ireland.

Is that more accurate for you?

Not really as we have had a Labour government which has been voted for by areas all over the UK not just the south.

Tefal · 6 Oct 2015 at 20:03

i've got a question lovley.

since you refuse to discuss any "anti snp" news source (which appears to be most of them) will you yourself refrain from posting "pro SNP" news sources?

it seems bizarre to support bias in one direction but refuse to tolerate it at all in the other.

Woden · 6 Oct 2015 at 20:09

Tefal said:
i've got a question lovley.

since you refuse to discuss any "anti snp" news source (which appears to be most of them) will you yourself refrain from posting "pro SNP" news sources?

it seems bizarre to support bias in one direction but refuse to tolerate it at all in the other.

Typical unionist bullying

Kamerad · 6 Oct 2015 at 20:11

Lovely, why do you care what an overclocking forum thinks?

Steveocee · 6 Oct 2015 at 20:28

Question at lovely, how would you feel if England, Wales and North Ireland had a vote as to whether we should kick Scotland out of the UK?

I guarantee there would be bile from SNP about how the poor people of Scotland would feel hard done by.

lovelyhead · 6 Oct 2015 at 20:43

WithMyApologies said:
I think it's disgusting that people like Salmond and Sturgeon are even still banging on about this.

If they have another vote and YES wins, can the NO voters then ask for another one? It'll be a never-ending wave of votes.

Utterly pointless.

You must be new here.

Bear said:
Not really as we have had a Labour government which has been voted for by areas all over the UK not just the south.

I think votes in Scotland have only ever decided the Westminster government twice in the last hundred years.

[TW]Fox · 6 Oct 2015 at 20:48

lovelyhead said:
I think votes in Scotland have only ever decided the Westminster government twice in the last hundred years.

Twice more than votes in Cornwall or votes in Kent.

INDEPENDENCE FOR THE OPPRESSED PEOPLE OF KENT!!11111

lovelyhead · 6 Oct 2015 at 20:48

Tefal said:
i've got a question lovley.

since you refuse to discuss any "anti snp" news source (which appears to be most of them) will you yourself refrain from posting "pro SNP" news sources?

it seems bizarre to support bias in one direction but refuse to tolerate it at all in the other.

I won't refuse to discuss any anti SNP news source. Just don't be surprised when I point out that more often than not the news source has a pro union anti SNP bias.

The only things I post tend to be polls from independent polling companies. If I do post anything from Wings or the like, it is not to try and prove a point other than perhaps to expose the media bias against the SNP.

The rest of the time I am "talking" to you guys.

Steveocee said:
Question at lovely, how would you feel if England, Wales and North Ireland had a vote as to whether we should kick Scotland out of the UK?

I guarantee there would be bile from SNP about how the poor people of Scotland would feel hard done by.

Bash on. Seems like a no lose situation to me. Best case scenario is we get kicked out. Worst case is things stay the same with the option to hold another Scottish referendum when the people of Scotland want it.

[TW]Fox;28652239 said:
Twice more than votes in Cornwall or votes in Kent.

INDEPENDENCE FOR THE OPPRESSED PEOPLE OF KENT!!11111

Maybe you should start your own movement then!

Here is a nice article explaining the situation with the Scottish Government overfunding of the council tax freeze.

Kind of discredits the unionist arguments a bit don't you think?

https://thecommongreen.wordpress.com/2015/10/02/we-need-to-talk-about-budget-underspends/

grumpysculler · 6 Oct 2015 at 21:35

Tefal said:
i've got a question lovley.

since you refuse to discuss any "anti snp" news source (which appears to be most of them) will you yourself refrain from posting "pro SNP" news sources?

it seems bizarre to support bias in one direction but refuse to tolerate it at all in the other.

Stop scaremongering. You are bullying the Scottish people.

Steveocee said:
I guarantee there would be bile from SNP about how the poor people of Scotland would feel hard done by.

Well given that:

SNP said:
For Scotland to accept fiscal autonomy without inbuilt UK-wide fiscal balancing would be tantamount to economic suicide

Then I think we would probably be hard done by, not just feel it. Quite why we can be rich as an independent country but need fiscal balancing within the UK I don't know... (Except I do and the Yes economics was just plain daft)

lovelyhead · 6 Oct 2015 at 21:43

Also, Maybe you unionist would be interested to know that in two separate years of the first Lab-Lib coalition, there was an underspend each year of almost TWICE what the Scottish Government underspent last year.