Cheated out of redunancy

[Boycey0211]

plus why the hell should they PAY someone who wants to leave and sleeps/turns up late/ etc when they have already shown by volunteering that they are happy to leave.

Don't really know why you're moaning tbh, you clearly got away with a lot while you were there

 

[Deleted member 651465]

Out of interest, what are the legalities of using printouts from this forum in a case?

I've seen print outs used in cases of dismissal (Facebook).

 

[Sui]

There's no way the timing is coincidence. If it were a group of people caught foul by this they would have a defense but as they are discriminating against a single employee it's a different matter.

Constructive dismissal relates to a breach of contract, as far as I can tell, no breach has occurred?

 

[Avenged7Fold]

The VR was not based on past performance. Even if it was then surely the poor performance based on the previous threads should have encouraged VR not discouraged it? at the time of the first VR they had no idea that i was planning on leaving.

I don't understand how you think you feel you are entitled to anything.

You were not offered redundancy, you were offered the chance to apply for redundancy. Application as denied. You then resigned.

This goes beyond wishful thinking. Even discounting posts from the past. Only this summer were you worried about the Daily Mail contacting your employer because you somehow manage to get yourself banned for posting stuff at work which could be taken as racist/obscene on a national Newspaper's website.

You are dreaming if you think poor performance shown by previous threads would encourage them to offer VR. At best you would get a chance to resign and at worst you would be fired and given such a bad reference that you would have to settle for whatever comes your way rather than get to complain that your employer didn't pay you 15k to leave a job you were leaving anyway.

 

[neoboy]

I love the idea of this getting to a tribunal, and the defence using the threads on OcUK to rubbish the OP's case

Dare I say we're almost witnessing karma?

 

[Avenged7Fold]

Dare I say we're almost witnessing karma?

If it was Karma, he would get the sack

I think about how many people get unfairly dismissed or lose their jobs due to company cash flow issues or cant get a job despite being hard working and educated.. then i see threads like this and I start to lose my faith in humanity.

Being lazy/unproductive/unprofessional/destructive at work is one thing but being proud enough to post it on a public forums tells you something about someone's work persona.

 

[anything I don't mind]

You do realize that those threads were jokes right and that i was not seriously concerned about dm contacting my employer?

Plus like i said the new employer has no idea about anything like that because to them i am just a normal employee with no bad records next to their name. The point is that they should have given me redundancy and they didn't because they instead wanted to keep me on and give me more work. Only for me to resign and for them to offer redundancy right away afterwards.

If this is not getting cheated out of redundancy what would that look like?

 

[Malt_Vinegar]

You do realize that those threads were jokes right and that i was not seriously concerned about dm contacting my employer?

No, we didn't. Your posting history and general demeanour would suggest entirely that they were accurate.

I would also hope that your inane ramblings here cannot be linked to your real life "digital persona" (to use the current parlance) by any future employer as they are quite likely to look into your on-line presence nowadays.

 

[Davey_Pitch]

The point is that they should have given me redundancy and they didn't because they instead wanted to keep me on and give me more work. Only for me to resign and for them to offer redundancy right away afterwards.

If this is not getting cheated out of redundancy what would that look like?

They *should* have given you redundancy? Obviously they shouldn't, considering they deemed you important enough to keep around when they gave everyone else redundancy.

You then decided to move on and handed in your notice. The fact that your company offered more redundancies after that is nothing more than co-incidence, and I think you've got a really over-inflated ego if you think they're doing it simply based off the timing of your resignation.

You've not been cheated out of anything. You applied for redundancy, you were rejected. You then resigned. The newer round of redundancies is completely irrelevant. You've lost nothing, you were cheated out of nothing. I can understand how the timing sucks and you feel like you've missed out on a payout. That might have been the case had you not resigned, but you did. Suck it up and move on IMO.

 

[anything I don't mind]

They *should* have given you redundancy? Obviously they shouldn't, considering they deemed you important enough to keep around when they gave everyone else redundancy.

You then decided to move on and handed in your notice. The fact that your company offered more redundancies after that is nothing more than co-incidence, and I think you've got a really over-inflated ego if you think they're doing it simply based off the timing of your resignation.

You've not been cheated out of anything. You applied for redundancy, you were rejected. You then resigned. The newer round of redundancies is completely irrelevant. You've lost nothing, you were cheated out of nothing. I can understand how the timing sucks and you feel like you've missed out on a payout. That might have been the case had you not resigned, but you did. Suck it up and move on IMO.

I wouldn't say i have a big ego, there is only about 20 people at the most who are left that was tupe across (out of 150, the rest already left or made redundant) and those 20 people including me were on the email. I think in a lot of ways they probably offered the second redundancy right away because they would probably just refuse it again for myself. Maybe there is a few of them that they want to give rid of that don't have permanent client contracts associate with them. I think there is also the element that they did it to **** me off, because they are idiots like that, because i made such a stink about not getting it the first time around.

I will move on, i just wanted to see if there was any thoughts on whether i had any grounds for trying to claim the redundancy from the first one considering the tupe and how they made nearly everyone else redundant who asked for it.

 

[Davey_Pitch]

I wouldn't say i have a big ego, there is only about 20 people at the most who are left that was tupe across (out of 150, the rest already left or made redundant) and those 20 people including me were on the email. I think in a lot of ways they probably offered the second redundancy right away because they would probably just refuse it again for myself. Maybe there is a few of them that they want to give rid of that don't have permanent client contracts associate with them. I think there is also the element that they did it to **** me off, because they are idiots like that, because i made such a stink about not getting it the first time around.

I will move on, i just wanted to see if there was any thoughts on whether i had any grounds for trying to claim the redundancy from the first one considering the tupe and how they made nearly everyone else redundant who asked for it.

You have to remember that companies that offer redundancies don't just do it on a whim. There is generally a fair bit of planning and consultation that goes on at a senior level before staff are even aware of it. The likelihood is that this round of redundancies was planned way before you handed in your notice, probably before you even applied for the job you're moving to.

As I said, the timing sucks and I can understand your disappointment, but I would be amazed if it was anything more than co-incidence and bad timing.

At the end of the day, if you're moving on to a better job, with better pay and better prospects, that's what you need to focus on. You're moving on for a reason after all, so chalk it up to experience and look forward, not backward.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

If this is not getting cheated out of redundancy what would that look like?

You were not offered redundancy, you were offered the chance to apply for redundancy. Application was denied. You then resigned.

They were not required to accept or even offer redundancy at ANY point. You are not entitled to it and you made a concious decision to leave. Any decision to offer VR to other employees are independent from your professional choices and is nothing to do with what you think you are entitled to.

How can you feel cheated by something you were never entitled to and are only complaining because you are not getting what you want.

 

[anything I don't mind]

No, we didn't. Your posting history and general demeanour would suggest entirely that they were accurate.

I would also hope that your inane ramblings here cannot be linked to your real life "digital persona" (to use the current parlance) by any future employer as they are quite likely to look into your on-line presence nowadays.

I don't have any online presence, they could probably link it if they put effort in but I don't think i have done anything wrong contractually discussing whether i have any recourse after the fact in trying to claim the redundancy. At employment tribunal etc.

 

[Davey_Pitch]

I don't have any online presence, they could probably link it if they put effort in but I don't think i have done anything wrong contractually discussing whether i have any recourse after the fact in trying to claim the redundancy. At employment tribunal etc.

You don't have an online presence? What do you think this forum is? And you don't have Facebook, Twitter or Instagram?

 

[anything I don't mind]

They were not required to accept or even offer redundancy at ANY point. You are not entitled to it and you made a concious decision to leave. Any decision to offer VR to other employees are independent from your professional choices and is nothing to do with what you think you are entitled to.

How can you feel cheated by something you were never entitled to and are only complaining because you are not getting what you want.

I don't think I am entitled to it, I just think it was unfair that i didn't get it. Yes life is unfair. I just wanted to see if anyone knew if there was anything i could do after the fact in getting that back. But listening to replies i don't think i have a chance because it was a voluntary redundancy and they had the final say, so legally they had no requirement to pay me even though they paid out to everyone else.

 

[anything I don't mind]

You don't have an online presence? What do you think this forum is? And you don't have Facebook, Twitter or Instagram?

My real name is not "anything i don't mind" or groen and i have no online presence on any other sites.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

but I don't think i have done anything wrong contractually discussing whether i have any recourse after the fact in trying to claim the redundancy. At employment tribunal etc.

No but your thoughts behind it are completely wrong. If a future employer saw this, he would definitely think twice about hiring. An employer wants to hire someone who wants to work for being paid, not someone who will take what they think they can get their hands on.

 

[Davey_Pitch]

My real name is not "anything i don't mind" or groen and i have no online presence on any other sites.

My real name isn't DaveyPitch either but I have no doubts that if you had my real name you could find a link to it somewhere. Don't think that because you have a random username that it would never trace back to you somehow.

 

[anything I don't mind]

No but your thoughts behind it are completely wrong. If a future employer saw this, he would definitely think twice about hiring. An employer wants to hire someone who wants to work for being paid, not someone who will take what they think they can get their hands on.

Are you serious? troll is very high with you. Every single person who experienced what i did would feel they should have got the redundancy like everyone else they worked with who did get it.

Like i said i already move on and happy with new job, just wanted to see if i had any chance of trying to claim it back. Pretty simple.

 

[the_r_sole]

Are you serious? troll is very high with you. Every single person who experienced what i did would feel they should have got the redundancy like everyone else they worked with who did get it.

Like i said i already move on and happy with new job, just wanted to see if i had any chance of trying to claim it back. Pretty simple.

I really don't understand your "logic"

If they offer voluntary redundancy it is as a cost saving measure and designed as an incentive to people that don't want to leave.

They don't have to incentivise people that are already working their notice to leave!

There is nothing for you to "claim back" - you are not and never have been eligible to receive the redundancy package, I'm not sure why you think you are?