Packed like sardines in airbus'

adolf hamster said:
Probably a case of they're exploiting the fact that often people are forced by necessity (lets face it, what business trip, or working man's hard earned holiday is going to spend it all travelling by road, rail and sea) to buy from them, so they offer a cheap service and cram as many in as they can get away with without a lawsuit.

They'll plead economy woes whilst posting 'our profits are down x million, or about 1% wah' whilst putting half the population through hell.

If you took 2 seats out of a q400, thats what maybe £ 140 of revenue lost, which wouldn't exactly be hard to make back by spreading the cost (be less than a fiver each on top) yet the precious extra inches of legroom would be well worth it in customer satisfaction, yet they wont do this, unless its offering some kind of 'premium' service and charging twice as much.
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you gotta remember though if you want to buy say a new 320 it will be about 5 years before we even start building it :p
 
I'm generally ok flying in economy but it's when the ignorant person in front reclines the seat, that's when I feel like a sardine.
 
For a short haul flight 1-2hrs I don't see an issue I don't ever leave my seat on those anyway and if it reduced the cost I'm all for it. Not something I would be so keen on for long haul as it looks like getting in and out for a walk or loo trip might be a challenge!
 
ubersonic said:
The new tiered design INCREASES leg room in economy >.>
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Yeah, I don't understand why this is appearing everywhere. The pictures clearly show that with this design, each passengers gets more space to themselves.

In the traditional horizontal seating (3-4-3 or whatever), there is a ton of unused space above the seats and inbetween the overhead lockers. This is a far more efficient and smart use of space.
 
Pawnless Endgame said:
I think that rail in the UK should be treated more of a priority. Why is it that EVERY 'train' I board is always a few carriages short of a train? I can't remember the last time I've had a seat. That's both commuter and long journeys.
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They should pass a law in the UK to prevent TOCs from 'over-selling' their seats. If you've got a 250 seater plane, you're only allowed to sell 250 tickets. Therefore a 200 seater train should only have 200 passengers on it, not 2000 passengers.
 
Semple said:
They should pass a law in the UK to prevent TOCs from 'over-selling' their seats. If you've got a 250 seater plane, you're only allowed to sell 250 tickets. Therefore a 200 seater train should only have 200 passengers on it, not 2000 passengers.
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Standing in the aisle on a plane is potentially dangerous, doing the same on a train is less so - much like standing on a bus.

If you limited trains to their seated capacity, you'd have people up in arms about not being allowed to stand.

Ticket restrictions over a combined seated+standing capacity would be more appropriate for trains.
 
Semple said:
They should pass a law in the UK to prevent TOCs from 'over-selling' their seats. If you've got a 250 seater plane, you're only allowed to sell 250 tickets. Therefore a 200 seater train should only have 200 passengers on it, not 2000 passengers.
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Not as simple as that though. I don't buy a ticket for the train I get everyday (I have a season ticket) so I can pick and choose which train I get on. How would they be able to prevent the train being overbooked if they don't know who is going to get on without a prebooked ticket.
 
This design had been known for a while that staggering seats vertically creates more space to fit extra seats in the plane and increases legroom for all involved, the only reason people found a dislike for it was that people in the lower rows didn't like the person behind them sitting above them.

I am glad they finally patented it and hope to see its development in future as mentioned by a few posters already in this thread legroom for the current organisation of seats in economy on planes is awful.
 
Semple said:
If you've got a 250 seater plane, you're only allowed to sell 250 tickets.
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This isn't always true, some airlines will over-allocate places in the expectation of cancellations/no-shows. Usually they do their sums correctly and everything works out but I've been bumped off flights before because I was the 251st person to check-in, for example. Thanks, Lufthansa!
 
I always try to avoid flying economy whenever I can due to having ridiculously long legs. If I'm forced to fly in a single class cabin I plead my case with the airline on the phone while booking my ticket and try and get either an exit row or bulkhead seat. Failing that I'm spending a few hours sat slightly sideways and having a quite uncomfortable flight.
 
lafemmefatale said:
I always try to avoid flying economy whenever I can due to having ridiculously long legs. If I'm forced to fly in a single class cabin I plead my case with the airline on the phone while booking my ticket and try and get either an exit row or bulkhead seat. Failing that I'm spending a few hours sat slightly sideways and having a quite uncomfortable flight.
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Are you over 6 feet? If not, you don't know the meaning of the word uncomfortable!

I'm 6'3 and it's very uncomfortable. I cannot imagine how taller people manage. I'd also add that I am not overweight (14st 9lb) and I still feel like I am hunched up on my seat.

They definitely don't make seating for normal sized blokes.
 
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