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Skylake vs Haswell E

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As the title reads can someone shed some light on the difference.

As far as I can tell is Skylake great if your using it for gaming.

Haswell-E if you plan on using CPU intense applications such as Video/Photo Editing, Rendering etc.

Is this correct or am i completely wrong!

Thanks :)
 
Basically correct. Skylake is slightly faster clock-for-clock and cheaper but Haswell-E has more cores and more PCIe lanes for multi-GPU setups.
 
To be honest I'd actually disagree with you, DragonQ, if you're comparing Skylake to Haswell-E. Generally-speaking, yes the mainstream product is better for gaming and the top-end "E" product is more geared towards productivity and better suited to really insane triple and quad GPU setups.

However, Intel have screwed up a little with their pricing. The 5820k Haswell-E is £20 CHEAPER than the 6700K Skylake, and with that you get 2 more cores and 8 more PCI-E lanes. X99 and Z170 motherboards can be comparable in price and both platforms use DDR4.

So I'd suggest that right now there's little argument for a i7 6700K system, unless you're looking at small form factors.
 
Worth noting that the Skylake platform is simply newer and has additional features (I believe) that Haswell-E doesn't and some may prefer those. I don't think the £20 difference in price in favour of the Haswell chip is a mess up. The consensus seems to be to go Haswell-E however. Skylake-E will have all the same features, be the newer platform and have extra cores when it's released,hence it'll be a lot more expensive probably the non-E skylake.

Any idea when Skylake-E due anyone?
 
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DarrenM343 said:
Worth noting that the Skylake platform is simply newer and has additional features (I believe) that Haswell-E doesn't and some may prefer those. I don't think the £20 difference in price in favour of the Haswell chip is a mess up. The consensus seems to be to go Haswell-E however. Skylake-E will have all the same features, be the newer platform and have extra cores when it's released,hence it'll be a lot more expensive probably the non-E skylake.

Any idea when Skylake-E due anyone?
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2017. Broadwell-e is due out q1 2016 and on the current x99 socket

Only new thing on akylake is usb 3.1 i believe.
 
DarrenM343 said:
Worth noting that the Skylake platform is simply newer and has additional features (I believe) that Haswell-E doesn't and some may prefer those. I don't think the £20 difference in price in favour of the Haswell chip is a mess up. The consensus seems to be to go Haswell-E however. Skylake-E will have all the same features, be the newer platform and have extra cores when it's released,hence it'll be a lot more expensive probably the non-E skylake.

Any idea when Skylake-E due anyone?
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2017.
 
If you are spending over £200 on a CPU,the Core i7 5820K makes more sense otherwise a Core i5 6600K for under £200 would do the job.

The Core i7 6700K is horrendously overpriced especially when its closer to a previous Core i3 CPUs in die size and is nearly on third to half the die area of the Core i7 5775C. At least the Broadwell Core i7,which costs around the same,has a decent backup IGP and will fit into older motherboards fine and does not need more expensive DDR4 to shine.
 
I'm getting fed up of people saying the 6700k is overpriced, when it is similarly priced to the 5820k and performs better in games.
 
Silent_Scone said:
SKLE is coming sooner than some think.
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How soon do you think? I can't see it being that soon because what's the point in them releasing a Broadwell-E for the X99 extreme
platform when they plan to release the Skylake-E extreme platform not long at all after to replace this extreme platform entirely.

If it is that soon after Broadwell-E then they are just wasting money releasing Broadwell-E.
 
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sam77 said:
I'm getting fed up of people saying the 6700k is overpriced, when it is similarly priced to the 5820k and performs better in games.
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But it is overpriced. The haswell-e 5820k is an enthusiast 'e' processor complete with more cores and threads and more cpu pci-e lanes. In a suitable multithreaded scenario a 5820k will destroy a 6700k with similar overclocking methods applied. The scale is now where near the same in gaming. If your argument is that most current games don't show much improvement above four cores (which is currently true) save yourself ££££ and buy the i5. If you'll likely benefit from more potential power and upgradability (from the superior pci-e setup of x99) the consider haswell-e and around £30 less for the CPU. The 6700k is by no means a bad CPU the price point just makes it hard to justify
 
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sam77 said:
I'm getting fed up of people saying the 6700k is overpriced, when it is similarly priced to the 5820k and performs better in games.
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Yes it is overpriced when it costs more than the previous generation Core i7 and more importantly has a die which is closer in area to a Core i3 and even lacks a cooler!!

The Core i7 6700K has the smallest die of any Intel quad core EVER MADE outside of the quad core Atoms. Its a tiny chip.

Its made using the same 14NM process as the Core i7 5775C which is a few times larger and costs the same.

Hence,its an overpriced ripoff.

Edit!!

Here is an analysis of the chip:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9505/skylake-cpu-package-analysis

The die area is 122.4mm2.

The PCB is also thinner too.

To put in context a Sandy Bridge Core i3 or Haswell Core i3 is a larger chip.

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The Core i7 5775C with is large L4 cache is probably closer to Haswell-E size.

Haswell-E is a 356MM2 chip.

The only thing the Core i7 6700K is doing is making enthusiast's wallets lighter and increasing Intel profit margins.
 
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Silent_Scone said:
SKLE is coming sooner than some think.
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Unless your privy to some information not available to the rest of us its looking like 2017 for SKLE? Please enlighten us if you know otherwise

I have seen some claims/ internet rumours of skle coming 'sometime' in 2016 but given 14nm broadwell-e is currently posted for q1 2016 and given Intel's recent form for getting the 14nm cpu's out of the door I think 2017 is a safe bet for now
 
sam77 said:
I'm getting fed up of people saying the 6700k is overpriced, when it is similarly priced to the 5820k and performs better in games.
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And I'm getting tired of people making sweeping statements who don't seem to pay attention to the details and numbers.

5820K has 8 more PCI-E lanes than the 6700K, so you can load up with GPUs more (you know, those things you game with) or not sacrificing dual GPUs to use some other PCI-E-based components.

5820K has 2 more REAL cores than the 6700K, so in properly multi-threaded environments it will come out on top. This will be especially true when games devs break the 4 core barrier. But most games are more reliant on GPU than CPU, so any wins the 6700K may have on the bench are negligible in the real world.

And the 5820K does this cheaper than the 6700K to boot. All of the new fancy kit like SATA Express, U.2 ports and whatnot are all on the Z170 chipset, not the Skylake CPU, and until we actually see actual real actual products implement them they are fancy gimmicks, easily added to a X99 board by way of the extra 8 PCI-E lanes we have thanks to the 5820K.

Or are you still saying the 6700K isn't overpriced?
 
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