Bloody immigrants not respecting the law

he's been there 25 years
all the while brewing Sid in the compounds
everyone is at it
everyone knows the deal if they get caught
he got caught (and he must have been a right ******* idiot to get caught in the first place)

deal with it
 
Moses said:
~some waffle~
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It seems like you just fancy an arguement. I was voicing my opinion on the article/news story the OP put up.

Not, stoning gays, IS, adulterers etc etc - use any of the other hate filled anti everything threads if you want to talk about that twoddle, I don't.
 
Moses said:
It'd just be weird if you were okay with this particular case, but not with the stoning of gay people and adulterers... unless you weren't applying your views consistently. I take it you are in favour of stoning gays and adulterers, if that's the law, but you don't want to say as that's more distasteful than a man being flogged for having alcohol.

I don't just fancy an argument. I just find it hard to believe people think that anything's okay if it's the law/we should just stand by and accept it.
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Ah right that's what you are asking, if I believe all crimes befits the punishments that are bestowed upon them. I wasn't sure if you were asking in broad terms or just specifically about gay people and adulterers which I didn't understand, seemed like you were trying to lead the question somewhere.

Hmm it's difficult, do I support the punishments, well no - I see myself as a well rounded human and well that is wrong to punish someone in such a way.

However, the government that is in charge makes the call about the punishments - not me. If they think that is the best way to deal with such incidents, that isn't something I can control.

Whether I feel is it right or wrong won't change the outcome.

But I'm struggling to see the corralation between Illegal Alcohol and lashes and gay people/adulteres and stoning.

Basically I am all in favour of people being punished for crimes. It isn't my fault the "crimes" and "punishments" in the middle east are by western values, old outdated and barbaric.
 
Moses said:
It'd just be weird if you were okay with this particular case, but not with the stoning of gay people and adulterers... unless you weren't applying your views consistently. I take it you are in favour of stoning gays and adulterers, if that's the law, but you don't want to say as that's more distasteful than a man being flogged for having alcohol.

I don't just fancy an argument. I just find it hard to believe people think that anything's okay if it's the law/we should just stand by and accept it.
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There is a big difference between migrants and native Saudis though, as being already stated there are compounds where they turn a blind eye, but if you're caught with alcohol outside then you will be dealt accordingly like a native would. People who are gay are generally beheaded anyway, not just lashed.
 
Moses said:
It'd just be weird if you were okay with this particular case, but not with the stoning of gay people and adulterers... unless you weren't applying your views consistently. I take it you are in favour of stoning gays and adulterers, if that's the law, but you don't want to say as that's more distasteful than a man being flogged for having alcohol.

I don't just fancy an argument. I just find it hard to believe people think that anything's okay if it's the law/we should just stand by and accept it.
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So do you not think the guy deserves his punishment?
 
Let's face it, if the guy was 30 years old nobody (very few people) would have problem with the punishment.

I don't care either way what happens to him as he knew very well what the law is. It would be nice however if they give him extra year in prison instead of the lashes due to his age.

I don't think government of any country should get involved if their nationals break the law abroad unless they're just tourists and genuinely broke the law cos they didn't know about it.

edit: and just LOL at people that want to attack a country because of a silly old man
 
I can't believe how many people on here are ok with torture and corporal, potentially capital punishment!
 
Dis86 said:
I can't believe how many people on here are ok with torture and corporal, potentially capital punishment!
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Based on the description of the man, i doubt he would survive prison, let alone lashes.

So what are they supposed to do? Let him get away with it? I guess SA come down hard on these crimes to not encourage anyone else to commit the crimes.
 
Dis86 said:
I can't believe how many people on here are ok with torture and corporal, potentially capital punishment!
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I don't think we're ok with anything of the sort, he decided to chance it every day and he got caught. Now if we decided to intercede on his behalf, then would't the government be seen as hypocritical if natives are constantly going through this everyday?
 
Dis86 said:
I can't believe how many people on here are ok with torture and corporal, potentially capital punishment!
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I can't believe how lenient some people are and think people shouldn't be responsible for their actions. But then you just need to look at this country and you'll see the sense of self entitlement and people not taking responsibility for their actions.

It's always someone else's fault/ responsibility!!! That seems to be the attitude these days.
 
The Geezer said:
He has lived there 25 years TAX FREE, hardly seems worth it now
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but guv he was only trying to make a few bob with his moonshine!
I don't see why he had 6 bottles of wine in his boot other than to give to others. Then hes gone from making and drinking wine in his own private home to distributing.

I must say however everyone screaming that this bloke has survived cancer is disgusting, that has absolutely nothing to do with it. Whilst yes it's sad for the family that the lashes will probably kill him they need to understand that it's of his own doing, would they be more happy with a jail sentence that long that means he probably wont see the outside of the jail ever again?

My initial thoughts were it was harsh tbh, but then I found out he's lived there for 25 years, he would've fully known the laws and repercussions.
 
Semple said:
Based on the description of the man, i doubt he would survive prison, let alone lashes.

So what are they supposed to do? Let him get away with it? I guess SA come down hard on these crimes to not encourage anyone else to commit the crimes.
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Fine him? Deport him?
 
bayo000 said:
I can't believe how lenient some people are and think people shouldn't be responsible for their actions. But then you just need to look at this country and you'll see the sense of self entitlement and people not taking responsibility for their actions.

It's always someone else's fault/ responsibility!!! That seems to be the attitude these days.
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This reads like a Daily-Mail-Bot statement. Just regurgitating stupid right-wing-press soundbites.

I mean, you've started by suggesting that it's unbelievable that people think a man shouldn't be lashed to death for possessing alcohol, and then gone off on one about an "entitled" society from there. It's almost hilarious.
 
Yeah the bloggers being beheaded and crucified for wanting more democratic rights in Saudi Arabia should obey the law too.

The law is the law you should never ever dispute it or try and change it....oh wait.
 
cheesyboy said:
This reads like a Daily-Mail-Bot statement. Just regurgitating stupid right-wing-press soundbites.

I mean, you've started by suggesting that it's unbelievable that people think a man shouldn't be lashed to death for possessing alcohol, and then gone off on one about an "entitled" society from there. It's almost hilarious.
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I guess you could read it like that. My point is if people accept responsibility for their action this wouldn't have even made the news.

Nobody knows he'll die, yes it's a fair assumption but he may well survive it. Plus if you read my earlier post I myself said that due to his age it would be kind if they change the sentence to extra year in prison instead.
 
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