Alex Salmond: A second Scottish referendum is inevitible
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great timescale from Sturgeon:
Yes it isn't up to her to decide when the next referendum will be. It depends on there being a change of circumstances in the UK, such as England voting to leave and Scotland voting to stay in the EU. She is not the one deciding when it will be.
complete rubbish. she will call for it just as soon as she thinks she can win.
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If Janette Tough wants me to post here for the next 10 years then who am I to argue!
Again that would be when the people signal a desire for it. She can't say that there will be a referendum in 5 years or 10. That isn't up to her.
great timescale from Sturgeon:
Does she also state when the third referendum will be, should they lose the next one as well?
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Again that wouldn't be up to her. That would be dependent on whether or not the unionists could regroup, form a single party at Holyrood, then have a manifesto commitment to hold another referendum, then go on to win a majority at Holyrood and then they could set a date for another referendum when there was enough support from the people.
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You're right to say she cannot say when there will be a referendum, but primarily because its Westminster who will decide that.
The argument that the SNP will have a mandate for a referendum won't work twice, because they had that mandate already and lost. So why would they suddenly have another mandate?
Any PM who gives another referendum before 2035 is crackers.
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Ah the Fascist element of the OCUK forums rears it's ugly head again! "The people of Scotland can't have another chance to have their say until the great Tory leader says so" (let's face it the Tories are going to be in power for the next 20 years!).
But according to her (and you) they're signalling a desire for it now, so why isn't she responding and demanding another referendum?
It's not fascistic to point out a simple fact, even if it's one Scottish nationalists (perhaps with cause) resent, which is that the referendum requires an Act of Parliament, so by definition, is a Westminster decision. Like it or not, and I'm guessing not, in your case, it just is a Westminster decision.
It's not even entirely in the hands of the PM, Tory or otherwise, but of MPs. They don't always follow even a government 3-line whip.
Or, is responding to the will of the people.
If a clear majority of Scots genuinely want out, I can't see a good argument for forcing them to stay in.
On the other hand, a referendum every fortnight is clearly a non-starter.
There has to be a balance, and the SNP won't call for a second one until they're pretty confident of winning it, because if they call for it, get it and lose it again, the hurdle to getting a third one will be very high.
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Because it doesn't work like that.
But mainly because they're aware it's just a noisy minority, as it always has been and always will be.
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The reality (which Nats don't like talking about) is that under both domestic and international law it isn't within the gift of either the Scottish people or the Scottish Parliament to decide.
Some of the triggers that are being bandied around are just daft and there to let the SNP make things up when they go along. About the only one that might make sense is the EU vote, but then the EU have told us we would be out if we declared independence.
In any case, having Scotland in and E&W out would be even more of an economic disaster than some of the other SNP ideas.
No, the people of Scotland said so based on the premise they were told by SNP leadership the vote decided things for a generation. This was in the full knowledge of the upcoming EU vote and its results, whatever they will be are accepted as part of remaining in the Union. Or were are you saying the majority of Scots were too stupid to understand and take that into account?
Jeeze the nats are like whiney spoiled little children who won't just accept that their agenda was resoundingly rejected democratically. For the time being Scots want a strong Scotland within the Union, get over it...
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I don't know if you noticed but there was this vote last year where the people of Scotland declared that they didn't want independence.
Who does she think she is to go against the will of Scotland like this?
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It would be nice if they could actually deal with their devolved responsibilities properly: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-34513486
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You are most welcome to stop clicking on the link to look at this thread! It would be once less bump after all!
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That isn't technically true!
The article clearly states that the government has taken action.
I'm sure it was an independence vote I watched on TV. Perhaps it was a drama. Looked pretty real.
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