Bloody immigrants not respecting the law

Nitefly said:
If it's silly to assert that something (with any sensible application) that is harmless should not be illegal, I fear for us all!

I say that whilst simultaneously thinking that hand guns and certain hard drugs should certainly be illegal, without feeling a shred of hypocrisy, because I'm able to harness the mighty power of being objective and decisive.
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Well it's arguable that alcohol isn't as harmless as you think it is, but I don't want to get into that right now.

It's understandable why you're against alcohol control but for guns and drug controls - that is after all, the status quo in your home country and has been for a long time. It's difficult but I like to try and keep an open mind about other people's cultures and customs, even though I really don't want to see those things in my own country.
 
Skunkworks said:
Regime change then?
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I doubt it all western leaders bow to the Saudi Royal family when visiting, not to mention arm them to the teeth.. as long as they're buying our arms and selling oil to us instead of Russia/China etc then they can be as backward and inhumane as they like.
 
No matter how stupid, backwards and just plain wrong you think some other countries laws/customs are you simply have to adhere and respect them. If you don't then you face the consequences, if you don't like it then don't go to the country i guess.
 
scorza said:
The problem is when you're in charge of an unruly mob like the House of Saud is in Saudi Arabia you need to rule with an iron fist - the alternative is getting something like Islamic State in charge.
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And yet you said that the same couldn't be said about Assad... Why is it OK for an islamic state to rule with an iron fist, but not a secular state?

You seem to be a full-on islamic apologist.

scorza said:
Ah the white man imposing his culture around the world :)
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And the race card too. Well done.
 
Don't really have any sympathy for the guy. He broke their laws, that's the punishment.

Whatever 'the West' thinks of Saudi Arabia's utterly backwards views on a wide range of subjects is a separate issue. Disagreeing with a law doesn't make it not-the-law.
 
Saudi Arabia is a backwards & primitive nation (legally speaking & the fact they like in a theocratic authoritarian dictatorship), that's ignoring the mass human rights abuses, the legalised slavery (removal of passports) & exporting of terrorism. Remember at this very time a person is due to be beheaded & crucified for three days for protesting when he was 17.

The west if it does feel the need to impose democracy on other nations should at least be even handed with it & stop propping up nations when it suits us. 'Cultural respect' does not include allowing unnecessary human suffering & supporting dictatorships.

Per capita of the larger nations Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Jordan & Somalia are the highest - China is a 1/6th of the rate of Saudi Arabia to use as a point of reference.

In Saudi Arabia the following crimes will result in a lost head in many cases.

Adultery (Unmarried adulterers can be sentenced to 100 lashes, married ones can be sentenced to stoning.)
Apostasy (Apostates are sentenced to beheading but are usually given three days to repent and return to Islam.)
Armed robbery
Blasphemy
Burglary
Carjacking
Aircraft hijacking
Drug smuggling
Fornication
Home invasion
Sodomy, homosexuality, or lesbianism (If a man or woman is sodomized by their own consent, then they will also be sentenced to death along with the sodomizer)
Idolatry
Murder
Rape
Sedition
Sexual misconduct
Sorcery
Terrorism
Theft (fourth conviction)
Treason
Waging war on God
Witchcraft
 
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Isn't the issue here that he was sentenced to 12 months, and has been in prison for 14 months now? No-one is saying he's not guilty, not debating if the sentence was right, just that he has served his time and should be released.
 
The BBC are reporting that "a flogging was never on the cards". Did all this coverage stem from family hysteria?
 
Nitefly said:
The 'it's the law the land argument' is odd to me because it can be used to justify the enforcement of all crap laws everywhere, including this country. In this instance it's a totally crap law, so I do have sympathy for him. That is not to say that those hoping to break laws and get away with them should do so without considering the risks involved or exercising due discretion.
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It's two different situations, if it's your country, you can fight for change, you can campaign against injustice and, in the UK at least, vote for change in elections.

If you choose to go to medieval dictatorships who base their laws on the writings of a man who claims to have been speaking to a magic sky fairy, and then you go on to break those laws, you deserve everything you get for being so stupid.

The simple fact you choose to go to these places and take a chance with their Russian roulette legal systems should be enough to get you locked up over here for your own safety before you get on the plane.
 
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elmarko said:
In Saudi Arabia the following crimes will result in a lost head in many cases.
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Sorcery
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Witchcraft
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those are the catch all ones that let powerful Saudis get rid of people who have upset them

it certainly shows the quality of their legal system that people can be 'proven' to be guilty of 'sorcery' in their courts... so they're sort of at the level of progress in that respect that Westerners were at 400 years ago
 
Skunkworks said:
Their god's a bit fragile.
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Surely if someone wages a war on their god (how you would do this I have no idea), it can just smite them, being all powerful and all?

I mean, it seems kind of weird that their god needs them to make it a criminal offence with the death penalty attached.

Seems a bit weak :p
 
Well apostasy - leaving Islam, also gets the death penalty in Islamic law - the people who created Islam do seem to have been a paranoid bunch
 
elmarko said:
Saudi Arabia is a backwards & primitive nation (legally speaking & the fact they like in a theocratic authoritarian dictatorship), that's ignoring the mass human rights abuses, the legalised slavery (removal of passports) & exporting of terrorism. Remember at this very time a person is due to be beheaded & crucified for three days for protesting when he was 17.

The west if it does feel the need to impose democracy on other nations should at least be even handed with it & stop propping up nations when it suits us. 'Cultural respect' does not include allowing unnecessary human suffering & supporting dictatorships.

Per capita of the larger nations Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Jordan & Somalia are the highest - China is a 1/6th of the rate of Saudi Arabia to use as a point of reference.

In Saudi Arabia the following crimes will result in a lost head in many cases.

Adultery (Unmarried adulterers can be sentenced to 100 lashes, married ones can be sentenced to stoning.)
Apostasy (Apostates are sentenced to beheading but are usually given three days to repent and return to Islam.)
Armed robbery
Blasphemy
Burglary
Carjacking
Aircraft hijacking
Drug smuggling
Fornication
Home invasion
Sodomy, homosexuality, or lesbianism (If a man or woman is sodomized by their own consent, then they will also be sentenced to death along with the sodomizer)
Idolatry
Murder
Rape
Sedition
Sexual misconduct
Sorcery
Terrorism
Theft (fourth conviction)
Treason
Waging war on God
Witchcraft
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If you or your family were ever a victim to any of those crimes then you'd soon change your tune and find a beheading suitable punishment.
 
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