How popular are the 390X and 390P ?

humbug · 20 Oct 2015 at 18:01

Kaapstad said:
Attila Total War is a terrible game to test anything with.

The Game Devs have made a total mess of it and then to get out of jail they have said it is too demanding to run on any current hardware with max setting.

In reality the game devs can not be bothered to get it optimised and ensure that C/F and SLI work too. This is not something that AMD or NVidia can be blamed for as it is purely down to the game devs.

Exactly the same happened with RTW2 when it launched and the game devs still have not got that sorted entirely either on both brands.

Its built on 'Warscape Engine', which is ancient; and a dog even in its day.

GoogalyMoogaly · 20 Oct 2015 at 21:48

I've got a i7 3930K, i7 4770K and FX-8350.

I find when encoding the video the i7s are better, in fact it's in the order I listed them above. The 8350 isn't bad, but it's not on par with the Intel's when doing H264 encoding.

As for games, I've noticed things like Guild Wars 2 and Planetside 2 both run quite a bit worse on AMD CPUs. The FX 8350 is better than my PII 1055T, but it's still not ideal.
There are plenty of games my FX 8350 runs fine though. If I wanted to buy just 1 CPU to play games on and didn't want to rule any out because they were CPU heavy or didn't multithread well then I'd get an Intel. If I wanted to get a CPU that could play any games an AMD CPU could play well, then I'd definitely give an AMD CPU serious consideration.

Dave2150 · 21 Oct 2015 at 07:01

humbug said:
You actually made a dedicated thread for this one slide.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18655871

I should have checked your history right from the start, you do spend more than a reasonable amount of energy on your dreadful opinions on AMD.

One game doesn't warrant that opinion and your sweeping statements, it really doesn't. especially one where a £60 FX-4### is comparable to a Haswell i3, even an Athlon, are you not looking at that? Hell they can be overclocked, the i3 can't.

One game? There are many games that run terribly on AMD FX CPU's.

The irony is that you say I have dreadful opinions of AMD - have you not noticed me posting praise after praise about the 390/390X? I recommend it to everyone who wants to buy a new GPU at £200-£300, as it's simply the best option.

AMD GPU's are great cards, their CPU's are terrible, that's the bottom line here.

Hopefully Zen will rectify this problem, until then recommending a FX CPU to anyone is simply lunacy, for gaming at least.

humbug · 21 Oct 2015 at 15:10

Obscure OpenGL Game. how much energy did you expend on finding that? i think you have issues....

Dave2150 · 21 Oct 2015 at 17:02

humbug said:
Obscure OpenGL Game. how much energy did you expend on finding that? i think you have issues....

Here's another 'obscure' game for you then, enjoy:

Davedree · 21 Oct 2015 at 17:56

Meladath said:
Do you have any sources for this? Because according to every source I can see, hawaii (and grenada as of it) support full H264 decoding.

Also GM204 does NOT fully support H.265
A quote from the anadtech review

Limited decoding hardly sounds like full support does it? It uses the same decoding as most other maxwell cards. GM204 has 4K decoding and limited h265 decoding over hawaii. thats it.

Yes fella I incorrectly said for gm204 that it decodes hw h.265 i'll give you that. Gm206 supports both 4k decode at h.264/h.265.
However you are incorrect in stating that Gcn 1.1 (Hawaii/Grenada) supports full h.264 decoding. The Uvd engine used in Gcn 1.1 only supports 1080p h.264, It doesn't support 4k like I said.
As I said in many other threads including this one right at the start of my post, Gcn 1.2 has an updated Uvd 5.2 that supports 4k h.264 but not h.265.
My sources are here,
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8460/amd-radeon-r9-285-review/4
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/26-ho...en-do-you-think-amd-will-finally-bring-5.html
http://hardware.forumsee.com/a/m/s/...a-acceleration-kaveri-when-you-think-amd.html

Davedree · 21 Oct 2015 at 18:02

Dave2150 said:
Now you're comparing the 390/390X with AMD's FX CPU's?

The problem with AMD FX CPU's is that they are pathetic performance wise compared to Intel Skylake/Haswell-E. Plus they lack many chipset technologies such as PCI-E v3, USB3.1/3.0, M.2, UEFI, native SATA3, Sata Express, to name a few.

Whereas the 390/390X have very good performance when comparing to the NVIDIA cards at that budget. There's nothing a 390/390X cannot do that a 970 or 980 can - they both play DX12, 11 etc games, both can playback video at 4k, both can record gameplay via OBS, both can stream using OBS.

I cannot wait to see your next new point.

I'll make a point that when I discussed this in another thread this same topic was noted by Martini who also owns a 290 and another person in the thread makes the same comments on the basis of the pricepoints over a 2 year respin 390. Guess what even you are in it too would you believe.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=28328228

Also I'll correct you that Gcn 1.1 does not decode 4k h.264 it only manages 1080p. Source here http://www.anandtech.com/show/8460/amd-radeon-r9-285-review/4

For my next viewpoint i'll point you to the inefficiency of power consumption at blu-ray playback comparing all of maxwell vs all of latest Amd's.
which I posted in that link to that other thread back in July 2015.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=28328122&postcount=243

Here's a nano power consumption https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/R9_Nano/28.html

I even stated this in the same thread, which is basically what I wrote in this one
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=28328066&postcount=237

edited for nano link to power consumption at blu-ray

humbug · 21 Oct 2015 at 18:22

Wasting your time Davedree, he torched the bridge i extended to him, i don't think he's here for any sort of reasonable debate, he responds out of context and in extremes.

Davedree · 21 Oct 2015 at 18:25

humbug said:
Wasting your time Davedree, he torched the bridge i extended to him, i don't think he's here for any sort of reasonable debate, he responds out of context and in extremes.

I don't mind a debate, hell we've had some in the past Humbug.
Just wish Dave would see my point isn't just about ''7950 fps vs hawaii/grenada'' it's more than that.

humbug · 21 Oct 2015 at 18:36

Davedree said:
I don't mind a debate, hell we've had some in the past Humbug.
Just wish Dave would see my point isn't just about ''7950 fps vs hawaii/grenada'' it's more than that.

I know, "Context and extremes"

maonayze · 21 Oct 2015 at 20:38

Woah, what a wild ride this thread is becoming.

After reading all that the Wimbledon Umpire just said

"Team Red win the first set by 6 games to four"

"Second Set".....

I must admit...I have just bought a Fury Tri-X but I think the fact that AMD is still getting so much out of those "Old" cards is truly amazing.

I mean, what if after all the Fury X v 980Ti debate that rages in these forums every day, AMD in 12 to 18 months have the Fury Z (a refreshed Fury X) out pacing the 980Ti. It really wouldnt surprise me at all. :eek:

This thread has taught me one thing.....there is way too much mis-information being thrown around about AMD these days.

pandem0nium · 23 Oct 2015 at 11:47

I received my MSI 390X and gave it a test last night. Beautiful card and I'm very impressed by it. It's silent at idle and very quiet under load, which is brilliant.

I'll take some pics and post some benchmarks over the weekend.

TonyTurbo78 · 23 Oct 2015 at 12:47

they're so good, get another at the price and use that 8GB VRAM

Dave2150 · 23 Oct 2015 at 12:47

pandem0nium said:
I received my MSI 390X and gave it a test last night. Beautiful card and I'm very impressed by it. It's silent at idle and very quiet under load, which is brilliant.

I'll take some pics and post some benchmarks over the weekend.

Cracking card indeed. Really impressed with the MSI cooler on the 390X

Kaapstad · 23 Oct 2015 at 16:15

I am a big fan of the single GPU Hawaii cards

I don't care about power usage
I don't care about heat output

I do like the 2160p performance though.

I am a bit jealous of people with 390Xs as my 290Xs only have 4gb of vram but they still out perform the 4gb 980s @2160p.

nashathedog · 23 Oct 2015 at 21:14

Kaapstad said:
I am a big fan of the single GPU Hawaii cards

I don't care about heat output

(Please read reply with the Hovis violin solo playing in the background)
That's cause you water cool everything, If you spent months working down the mines saving up for a non reference card that hits the 94 degree throttle limit every time you game because the heatsink used was not designed for that much heat and you got stuck with that while you had to save up again and then had to take a loss selling it dirt cheap so you didn't feel like you'd screwed someone over maybe you wouldn't feel like such a big fan, Having said that they certainly do need big frackin fans

pandem0nium · 23 Oct 2015 at 22:21

TonyTurbo78 said:
they're so good, get another at the price and use that 8GB VRAM

That's the plan! Though I can't justify it while I have a 295x2 and 7990 to sell.

Kaapstad · 24 Oct 2015 at 00:07

nashathedog said:
(Please read reply with the Hovis violin solo playing in the background)
That's cause you water cool everything, If you spent months working down the mines saving up for a non reference card that hits the 94 degree throttle limit every time you game because the heatsink used was not designed for that much heat and you got stuck with that while you had to save up again and then had to take a loss selling it dirt cheap so you didn't feel like you'd screwed someone over maybe you wouldn't feel like such a big fan, Having said that they certainly do need big frackin fans

I gamed a lot on my 290Xs before they were watercooled and enjoyed using them.

After I watercooled them I realised they actually had coil whine when overclocked with volts but I liked the sound they make as it tells me how much load/voltage they are using.

I don't work down a mine though but then again I have to spend longer earning the money to buy my cards as I don't get paid as much as a miner.

Reference 290Xs don't throttle as long as you use a custom fan profile and keep below 94c.

The Zealot · 26 Oct 2015 at 23:54

Hey owners of a 390!

I want to buy a 390, but my case is always open and is in the living room on the table, so it can never become audible even under load, my wife will freak out on me. To complicate things, my case from 2011 can't take cards longer than 30 cm (11.8"), the frame isn't removable.

So which one do you recommend me? Trusting the marketing, the Asus Radeon R9 390 Strix is the quietest of them all, but can anyone confirm this? And is there any other alternative to the Strix? I'm asking because I'm not certain if my card length limit is up to 30 cm (11.8") or UNDER 30 cm.

Thank you.