According to the law, yes it's an offence to do so.
Germaine Greer on Transexuality
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According to the law, yes it's an offence to do so.
telling a woman you're a billionaire if you're not to get her in the sack is a crime to though.
Silly question. Can a MTF get pregnant, and even FTM(somehow)?
Usually you'd show this rather than say it.
Usually you'd show this rather than say it.
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I sort of get how the crime exists, I just can't understand how a bloke going 'I'm going to run through you like a freight train' and he/she sayingOK constitutes a crime. I mean if you've got to that stage then surely its not an issue lol
There is no way on this earth thats a crime! Whats the charge?
can all women get pregnant?
or are you saying barren women are not women?
oh and yes there was a pregnant FTM
rape by deception.
its the same law
also rape if you say you wont cum inside but do
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It's the deception part that's the crime. The logic is that you present yourself in a specific manner with the intention of a specific goal.
In the case of transgendered people, it's very possible that the other part wouldn't have been interested had the transgendered person been up front about the fact that they "used" to be a man/woman.
The billionaire one looks ridiculous because it's more based around someone's greed getting them in to such a situation. I highly doubt that in a court of law they would be handled in the same way though.
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was that UK law or US law as the two are usually logically different?
Not disputing you just dont understand how me saying 'I've got an aston martin' lands me on a rape charge.
Need to know fast. Pls reply.
Not disputing you just dont understand how me saying 'I've got an aston martin' lands me on a rape charge.
Need to know fast. Pls reply.
To confuse things further, that may not be true. The following is a legal viewpoint on all this:
https://ukcrime.wordpress.com/2013/06/27/when-is-consent-not-consent/
Apparently the law is a bit messy, to say the least.
Because saying "I've got an Aston Martin" isn't really what's being discussed. There's more to it, for example if a woman was going on about how she just LOVES billionaires and she wants to leave with the next billionaire she sees.
If you go over and claim to be a billionaire and you leave together. Then it's been initiated on the premise of you being a billionaire.
It's not as simple as pretending to be wealthy to get women interested in you, then taking them back to a bedsit.
can all women get pregnant?
or are you saying barren women are not women?
oh and yes there was a pregnant FTM
no and no, So the pregant ftm still had a vagina and other lady parts intact?
so why use pregnancy as a deciding factor given not all women can get pregnant?
no idea tbh i assume so at that point but he was legally male at that point too.
Yes, it was an extremely bad example. They were/are for all intents and purposes still a woman. The only difference is that they've had a double mastectomy and use testosterone to induce facial hair growth and other male physical traits.
It wasn't enough to stop their female functionality.
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Right so if I told her I was a billionaire, rented a penthouse suite for the night in advance, she consentually had sex with me that would be rape?
There is no way that would ever stand up in court.
She was there for the fun times and some gold digging, not the lifestyle.
I don't really want to do this. I'm not qualified in either biology or psychology. However I also don't believe in simplistic models.
Our bodies and our minds are so inextricably tied together that attempting to say categorically "it's a choice" or "you're born with it" are both probably wrong statements. I would feel confident in saying that most people with "normal" /physical/ development have a pre-disposition toward the opposite sex. But also that life experiences, and brain chemistry anomalies (etc), can certainly change that outcome. As no doubt can mental disorders. Maybe even drugs. Or pollutants! Are the mental disorders in part caused by physical anomalies? Could be! Impossible for me to say.
In the vast majority of cases, I'd say that being born a woman with a healthy female body, hormones, brain chemistry (etc) makes you a woman.
I would, however, not select a partner from a genetic female who identified as a male. Neither would I ever select a partner who had been born a male.
The consent would have to be based around the fact that you were a billionaire.
For example if she said "yes, only if you're really a billionaire" then it would be.
The specifics are essentially the consent has to be contingent on the lie/deception.
Apparently the wording of the law is so vague that it would be entirely down to the jury to decide.
Read that link I posted a couple minutes ago. From the mouth of a legal guy, who quotes the actual wording of the law.
wait a second aren't you the furry?
where does wanting to fornicate with human/animal hybrids place you on this scale of birth to choice to drug caused mental disorders you're constructing?
who said anything about a deciding factor, it was just curiosity. Barren woman still have the parts necessary for child birth though, they just can't have children for other reasons. was wondering if mtf were given those and whether ftm still have em
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So thats a no then, unless I claim to be someone famous, or trick her into sex for cash, cheers.