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This. How about not taxing the lowest earners?
Lords defeat government over tax credits cut
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This. How about not taxing the lowest earners?
Technically the lords are simply reinforcing his pre-election pledge.
Funny how Conservatives, so usually happy with the house of lords are not up in arms due to the vote not going the direction they want.
The sad thing is, I'll benefit from this stupid reform & I'm absolutely in no need of government assistance - saying that 99% of the people I work with vote Conservative so I guess they are stroking the hand that feeds. Coupled with the fact this won't impact on pensions it's clearly aimed at a group of society who generally don't vote for them. This isn't good for the country & it's hardly the pinnacle of principled politics.
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What profession are you in that is so secure?
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What a numb-skull Brown was
,Conservatives introduce: Family Income Supplement (1970?), replaced by: Family Credit (1986), replaced by: Working Families Tax Credit (1999), replaced by : Working Tax Credit (2003).
All the same benefit, renamed but still the same effect, subsidise low wages.
didn't the tories say they wouldn't let the lib dems reform the HoL in the coalition, how deliciously ironic this is now!
idiot tories, you can't take away tax credits unless wages rise, otherwise you end up with a lot of poor people, child poverty is already going up in this country, which is disgusting considering its one of the richest in the world.
The tories have no mandate to do this anyway, cameron explicitly said he wouldn't do this, election now!
idiot tories, you can't take away tax credits unless wages rise, otherwise you end up with a lot of poor people, child poverty is already going up in this country, which is disgusting considering its one of the richest in the world.
The tories have no mandate to do this anyway, cameron explicitly said he wouldn't do this, election now!
No, Conservative rebels meant the government at the time didn't have a majority. I believe David Cameron was upset at this.
And governments are always putting things through without election manifesto mandates, nothing to call an election over.
It hasn't cost taxpayers anything - it's government money not taxpayers - and, if anything, it's given billions to taxpayers because the people who are now not getting their tax credits slashed are taxpayers too.
It wasn't a money bill, and it wasn't in the Conservative manifesto - in fact, it's something they assured the public they weren't planning to do when they very much were - so I don't see how they've broken any agreement.
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Good..... serve Tory right. Hate the Tory Cameron is a lying bunch!
Ridiculous. There are so many applicants for low paid jobs that tax credits are not the slightest factor in determining pay.
At the end of the day the only thing that stops businesses paying too little is a higher minimum wage.
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Basically these working poor who put more into the country than they take out just pay less tax on everyday items and bills by getting subsidized to a livable level..
If they get hit with a £1500 cut people will either go on the dole, which will affect the tax payer more, or their boss will have to give the worker a pay rise and pass that bill onto his customers, most likely..
nah man, i would have got hit hard if this tax credit cut went ahead, i currently get 235.00 quid a month top up coz im in the low paid sector, so Im really happy it get voted out, I still pay £300 a month in tax and NI so for the poor people it helps them a lot.
How else am I to pay for my 980ti in sli and constant PC upgrades? overclockers gotta make money too
nah joke, I was unemployed for 9 months due to redundancy from my job of 12 years, i was devastated, As I quit my London job for this local job, so after the redudancy I was getting 750 a month in JSA, council benefits, housing benefits and housing maintenance, literally the GOV was paying the interest only part of my mortgage of 400 quid per month...
put it this way, if it wasn't for the tax credits then I would not of gone back to work as I was very restricted to the jobs I could apply for, especially where I live, so I went ahead with my current job just because of the top up or otherwise I would have still be on benefits until I got a proper job...
So now Im not getting the huge 750 per month in benefits and many people like me are in work because of the tax credits !!
were not all in high salary jobs you know.
House of Lords costs taxpayers £100 million a year.
Most countries do not have an upper house at all.
Oh and they reckon it would cost £500 million to reform it. Sounds like it might be a good idea to just get rid of them. We only just got rid of hereditary peers, but the whole place is a relic of bygone times. And a costly one at that.
There is nothing democratic about the Lords, at all. It is the opposite of democratic.
These people are unelected, and are peers for life. For life! And many of them are over 90 years old...
Most countries do not have an upper house at all.
Oh and they reckon it would cost £500 million to reform it. Sounds like it might be a good idea to just get rid of them. We only just got rid of hereditary peers, but the whole place is a relic of bygone times. And a costly one at that.
There is nothing democratic about the Lords, at all. It is the opposite of democratic.
These people are unelected, and are peers for life. For life! And many of them are over 90 years old...
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No it doesn't, it subsidises low earners by giving them more to live on than they would otherwise get, thus improving their quality of life.
I understand the mentality of "employers should pay more, more = good, employers = evil" but the problem is, employers/companies don't grow money on trees, they get it from customers, and if you tell customers they have to pay more because you want to give your employees a raise then the customers will pretty much laugh in your face.
But it doesn't really matter because at the end of the day it works out the same regardless, it doesn't matter if the government is taking money off people and giving it to those on low wages or if their employer is, it's just it actually works better when the government does it.
I actually find it kind of lol that many of the lords who voted against Osborne's plan were Tories, including Thatcher's chancellor XD
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I'm afraid that to many sane people that just sounds like horse****.
Perhaps you'd like to explain why it's "better" that the government uses our taxes to pay wages for private companies, instead of the private companies themselves...
I'm sad that so many people think everything can be solved by taxing more and spending more. Ridiculous.
Except it won't happen like that. Remove tax credits and without government forcing employers to pay more we'll simply live in a country where people have to work crazy hours just to make ends meet. That isn't desirable or healthy, but the hallmark of a dysfunctional society.
Well, how functional is a government which every year borrows more than it earns? How sustainable?
You think those low paid workers are best served by the country going bankrupt?