Germaine Greer on Transexuality

[Schlong&Stable]

Having been unfortunate enough to read most of the migrant thread and the thrice weekly innocent thread that inevitably turns into a foaming-at-the-mouth Muslim-bashing far right circle jerk, when I saw this thread posted I pretty much guessed how this thread would go and who would be the main participants. And I was right. Biological essentialism in one area is the definitive red flag for prejudice, bigotry and paranoid delusions in all the others. As proven by the pure guff that's spewed forth in this thread.

So what were the prerequisites for your prejudice, bigotry and paranoia when you falsely accussed me of being a Nazi sympathiser?

 

[Hitman_Leon]

So aligning yourself with Nazi thinking and using exclusively Nazi language doesn't show affinity to the Nazi's?

You wouldn't know a Nazi in a parade of them, unfortunately I knew one first hand. Not a national-front numpty but my own grandfather, a rifle carrying, hitler loving scum-bag.

 

[Tuppy_Glossop]

At least other posters offer something to think about.

Not me, I aim for Milliganesque silliness.

And fail

 

[drunkenmaster]

Okay, and what sort of bigotry, prejudice and paranoid delusions are going on?

I'm pretty sure it's the whole if a transgendered person has a view on a transgendered topic, non transgendered people aren't allowed to disagree or they are being one of the above.

It's the "i'm this so I know better and I speak for everyone and everyone who disagrees with me hates all transgendered people" logic. Same kind of logic where some black people will say black people can't be racist and that guy who holds the door for anyone because he's being polite gets screamed out when he does it for that specific crazy feminist who goes mental at him for oppressing her.

Some people feel anyone disagree with them is all about hate/bigotry/racism/whatever-ism.

There is a great Keane and Peel sketch I couldn't link to due to language, but it's about a gay person, or cross dresser, maybe even a transgendered person(guy dressed as a woman, not sure what the inference is) where in the end he finally says "I'm not being persecuted, I'm just an ******* ".

As others have said, she isn't bringing anything to the discussion, she seems offended by the discussion itself and constantly posts how horrific the discussion is. Same as her commentary on the other threads, rather than referring to actual comments someone makes she attacks someone for being a Nazi and links to two posts that make her claim look embarrassing. She talks about how other threads are terrible and how bad this is, but won't actually say what is so wrong and consistently refuses to when asked to.


Comes across very strongly as someone who lives to be offended by everything.

 

[elmarko]

To be fair, this forum does have a high population of rabid right wingers in certain threads (ones about immigration). I don't actually think many are really racists, just idiots.

(Only joking, please don't ban me)

 

[lafemmefatale]

Where did I say I was offended by anything? I may have a different perspective on treating human beings with decency and respect than others, but I'm not offended by anything here. There are a few folk on here that know me personally who would vouch for the fact that I'm very hard to offend.

 

[spoffle]

Where did I say I was offended by anything? I may have a different perspective on treating human beings with decency and respect than others, but I'm not offended by anything here. There are a few folk on here that know me personally who would vouch for the fact that I'm very hard to offend.

You don't come across that way. You come across as if you have a bit of a complex, and you seem to be suggesting that if someone doesn't accept that a man can become a woman, or a woman can become a man that are prejudiced or bigoted.

 

[RDM]

Why has no one made the obvious link between trans people and terrorism yet?

This thread is another one that highlights the poor excuses for human beings who inhabit this forum. Not to mention the disgustingly creepy obsession with other people's genitals.

Considering the wide range of views in this thread don't you think the wording of your post is somewhat inappropriate?

 

[FoxEye]

Where did I say I was offended by anything? I may have a different perspective on treating human beings with decency and respect than others, but I'm not offended by anything here. There are a few folk on here that know me personally who would vouch for the fact that I'm very hard to offend.

At the risk of breaking the universe, perhaps you'd like to state your position on a specific point that featured in this debate?

Do you think a MTF trans woman should be allowed to "go stealth", or hide their birth gender, from a potential sexual partner? Assuming such a thing were possible, that the other party would not find out, during and after?

 

[lafemmefatale]

You don't come across that way. You come across as if you have a bit of a complex, and you seem to be suggesting that if someone doesn't accept that a man can become a woman, or a woman can become a man that are prejudiced or bigoted.

In my last job before I set up my own business, I watched three trans people get hounded out of jobs they were very very good at, by fellow employees and insidious corporate discrimination that occurs when the legal safety nets designed to protect vulnerable individuals force companies big and small to just be more underhand and clever with their tactics for getting rid of people. The equality act isn't worth the paper it's written on when it comes to trans people and that is just not on.

One of the guys killed himself a few months after being dismissed for petty things that before he changed, were par for the course in the business. Views like the ones expressed in this thread are a large part of the reason why the suicide rate for transgender people is so high.

 

[lafemmefatale]

At the risk of breaking the universe, perhaps you'd like to state your position on a specific point that featured in this debate?

Do you think a MTF trans woman should be allowed to "go stealth", or hide their birth gender, from a potential sexual partner? Assuming such a thing were possible, that the other party would not find out, during and after?

Of course she should. It would only matter to those people who think that trans women are men - and I'm pretty sure she would prefer to avoid those types of people anyway.

 

[FoxEye]

Of course she should. It would only matter to those people who think that trans women are men - and I'm pretty sure she would prefer to avoid those types of people anyway.

So the desire of a potential partner, who may choose /not/ to have sex with a trans woman, is of no consequence?

The desire of the trans person trumps all else?

I mean, we're talking about a trans woman who might find a guy at a bar hot, and have no desire to tell him about her past, but just wants to chat him up and then go back to his place for some nice Nescafe.

You're saying that the guy in this equation has no right to know that the person he's about to sleep with wasn't born a female - and more than that, they he has no right to stop this encounter on the grounds that she is a MTF.

 

[spoffle]

In my last job before I set up my own business, I watched three trans people get hounded out of jobs they were very very good at, by fellow employees and insidious corporate discrimination that occurs when the legal safety nets designed to protect vulnerable individuals force companies big and small to just be more underhand and clever with their tactics for getting rid of people. The equality act isn't worth the paper it's written on when it comes to trans people and that is just not on.

One of the guys killed himself a few months after being dismissed for petty things that before he changed, were par for the course in the business. Views like the ones expressed in this thread are a large part of the reason why the suicide rate for transgender people is so high.

Okay, but that has little to do with what's going on in this thread.

Of course she should. It would only matter to those people who think that trans women are men - and I'm pretty sure she would prefer to avoid those types of people anyway.

Oh lawd, this is broken in so many ways. It is not bigoted or prejudiced to be of the opinion that a man cannot become a woman, or the other way around.

But you've already shown that you have no respect for people's wishes outside of your little complex bubble of people who've been oppressed are MORE equal than those who haven't.

Lots of people think trans women are men, and trans men are women. It would be the decent thing to do for any trans person to be up front about this.

 

[lafemmefatale]

If your decision as to whether or not you want to sleep with someone is based purely upon a single word that is written on their birth certificate, then maybe it's time to re-evaluate the way you look at the world.

Me personally, if I find a person attractive I find them attractive and if the dynamic and sexual chemistry is right in both directions then sexy time will happen, regardless of what the doctor said when they were born or the status of their genitals.

 

[RoboCod]

Where did I say I was offended by anything? I may have a different perspective on treating human beings with decency and respect than others, but I'm not offended by anything here. There are a few folk on here that know me personally who would vouch for the fact that I'm very hard to offend.

To be fair, this forum does have a high population of rabid right wingers in certain threads (ones about immigration). I don't actually think many are really racists, just idiots.

(Only joking, please don't ban me)

This forum has it's fair share of self righteous liberals too. You might claim to joke, but the pair of you come across as holier than thou and look down upon others that have a viewpoint that you do not agree with. That is also bigotry.

 

[spoffle]

If your decision as to whether or not you want to sleep with someone is based purely upon a single word that is written on their birth certificate, then maybe it's time to re-evaluate the way you look at the world.

Me personally, if I find a person attractive I find them attractive and if the dynamic and sexual chemistry is right in both directions then sexy time will happen, regardless of what the doctor said when they were born or the status of their genitals.

That's irrelevant. That's you and how you operate.

The fact that you're calling people bigots is the strangest part.

bigot
ˈbɪɡət/
noun
noun: bigot; plural noun: bigots

a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.

This is pretty much the tone of all your posts in this thread.

 

[FoxEye]

If your decision as to whether or not you want to sleep with someone is based purely upon a single word that is written on their birth certificate, then maybe it's time to re-evaluate the way you look at the world.

Me personally, if I find a person attractive I find them attractive and if the dynamic and sexual chemistry is right in both directions then sexy time will happen, regardless of what the doctor said when they were born or the status of their genitals.

It's about the right to choose.

You are saying that I should be denied the right to choose. In essence, that the MTF's desire to sleep with me trumps my desire to make an informed choice whether to sleep with her?

 

[lafemmefatale]

This is pretty much the tone of all your posts in this thread.

And is the tone of most of the other posts in this thread that I refer to. I hold a different opinion to you and the other people, and you're intolerant towards that opinion.

This impasse looks beautiful from this side... what about your side?

 

[spoffle]

And is the tone of most of the other posts in this thread that I refer to. I hold a different opinion to you and the other people, and you're intolerant towards that opinion.

This impasse looks beautiful from this side... what about your side?

What impasse? I think you're just making things up now, because what intolerance have I shown of your opinions? I have disagreed with you, but you're the one trying to insult people.

 

[lafemmefatale]

It's about the right to choose.

You are saying that I should be denied the right to choose. In essence, that the MTF's desire to sleep with me trumps my desire to make an informed choice whether to sleep with her?

Should I have to disclose that my hair actually isn't Passion Red right now, and I chemically altered it from my "natural" brown colour, for fear of being labelled a deceitful trickster and being hauled through court for obtaining sex by deception?

No, I thought not.