My idea for the movie industry's piracy "problem"

Tephnos said:
Long thread but I believe that the problem lies mostly in distribution. Steam has got it bang on, making it easy to get and store your collection, without much hassle.

Movies? DRM, messages in your face constantly - when its less hassle to pirate there's a problem. Steam solved that so PC game piracy isn't a big thing at all now.
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Exactly, the music industry did it, the gaming industry did it. The film industry is still lagging behind and adopting the 'chop my nose off to spite my face'. They 100% deserve piracy if they continue down the preposterous route they've been championing
 
The doors been opened, it can never be shut again. The MPAA etc will never stop it. They can keep taking one or two people to court, but they'll never win, someone else will step forward and take over.

I write software, used to earn a decent living from it, now I just get emails from people who have pirated it asking for changes, or where can they get a free copy.

I'm not bothered .. but I do find it amusing that I can I can spend months programming, and £1 is a rip off, yet they'll buy a bloody iPhone for silly money and a Starbucks coffee everyday for three quid a pop!
 
I'm pretty much in the camp of wanting more convenience, to be honest.

I can't stand the cinema these days, 30 mins of adverts before the film and then 20 mins of upcoming features is something I'd rather avoid. Same with buying from DVD's, it's a case of I just want to watch the film, making me watch all the stupid piracy ads and information is a bit moot, given I'd actually gone out to watch the film.

What I tend to do these days, for the couple of films I want. (At most 2-3 a year), is buy the DVD when it comes out, download a decent rip onto the NAS box and then leave the disk on the shelf to never be used.
 
Kuros said:
I'm pretty much in the camp of wanting more convenience, to be honest.

I can't stand the cinema these days, 30 mins of adverts before the film and then 20 mins of upcoming features is something I'd rather avoid. Same with buying from DVD's, it's a case of I just want to watch the film, making me watch all the stupid piracy ads and information is a bit moot, given I'd actually gone out to watch the film.

What I tend to do these days, for the couple of films I want. (At most 2-3 a year), is buy the DVD when it comes out, download a decent rip onto the NAS box and then leave the disk on the shelf to never be used.
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With the return of "reserved seating" which all the main cinema chains now offer you no longer have to sit through any adverts, trailers etc.
I book my seats online and have e-tickets. I can then rock up 20 minutes after the posted start-time, have my phone scanned and into the screen where the seats I booked are waiting and the film is about to begin.
 
FoxEye said:
So I finally get to see Guardians of the Galaxy, Edge of Tomorrow, and countless others. Legally and totally free*.

And it all started after giving up on the legal route, and doing a Google search for an alternative source. The first results on Google are legal places to get the film. Google's way of saying "tut tut". The top result was Amazon - yes Google, I know I can buy the film from lots of places, starting at £10 for glorious SD (they really should discontinue SD).

The 2nd was was more interesting. Now TV - free trial. I'd heard of Now TV ages ago, but for some reason forgot all about it.

Anyway, for the grand sum of £0, nada, squat, I signed up to the 30 day trial. Viola, all those films I'd missed and now cannot rent are (from what I've seen) mostly all available. In fact I've just watched Edge of Tomorrow.

The only downside is that it's not HD, and I've had to watch on my PC, due to my TV being incompatible (I need the £10 set top box).

In fact a 30 day trial is hugely generous, because in that time I will be able to watch every single movie that I've been been meaning to see for ages. Without paying a penny, and totally legally.

I might let even let them bill me once so as not to be a total cheapskate :p

As said, the lack of HD is a real bummer, and might be a deal breaker for some. For me I just want to watch the movies. Wish I'd cottoned on to this sooner.

I must admit, it did seem absolutely ridiculous that a film only 1-2 years old would only be available to buy. And thankfully it isn't the case.

Yeah, yeah. I'm sure everyone here already knew about Now TV. In fact I'm probably the last person on Earth to find out about it!
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OK. I will throw my hands up and say I was wrong about Now TV. It's bloody awful.

I've been a sub for a couple months now, and there is nothing to watch at all. I don't even consume a lot. My expectation was that I'd find something to watch maybe two nights a week.

Not even close.

They release a couple "new" films to the platform every Friday. Of those, you're lucky (play the lottery much?) if any are worth the price of admission. Because most times they'll be obscure 2 and 3 star pieces of **** that /nobody/ wants to watch.

Very, very occasionally (once every two months?) they might have a new film worth watching.

But the sub is £10 a month. For me, due to the extreme lack of anything I want to watch on the platform, I'd be better off going to the cinema once a month, or renting two movies from Blinkbox or wherever (at £5 a pop).

If you want to pay a monthly sub to have on-demand access to Mad Max, Aliens, Escape from LA, Beauty and the Beast, The Godfather - are you getting the point yet? - then Now TV is what you need.

If, on the other hand, you were looking for films released slightly more recently than 19-freeking-80, then you'll be disappointed.

Here's a breakdown of movies:
50% of NowTV's selection is ancient. Like over 15 years old.
25% or so is just old: 5-10 years.
20% is recent, but crap. Sky's own ratings system gives a lot of films 2 stars or less, but proudly includes them anyhow.
5% is something you want to watch.
 
I do like having the ability to stream a lot of older stuff on a whim but the lack of really interesting new stuff on most services (I'm subscribed to a few) does make it hard to justify the cost :S really starting to find the churn of 2-3 star horror movies and not much else tedious. Netflix is a bit better if you do some slightly dubious things to expand the library content you have access to :S

I was literally gob smacked to find that The Walking Dead season 6 is being made available on iTunes, Amazon, etc. straight after the episodes air.
 
Rroff said:
I do like having the ability to stream a lot of older stuff on a whim but the lack of really interesting new stuff on most services (I'm subscribed to a few) does make it hard to justify the cost :S really starting to find the churn of 2-3 star horror movies and not much else tedious. Netflix is a bit better if you do some slightly dubious things to expand the library content you have access to :S
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With regard to the older stuff... it's been on TV so many times that everybody will have had the opportunity to record it.

Aliens is on every year! Same with Godfather, etc. I see absolutely no value in being able to stream those on demand, but obviously I'm not saying you're wrong :p Just that to me that is not offering any value.
 
^^ I don't really record stuff off TV - Infact partly due to work and stuff I've barely even watched TV for the last few years and chucked most of my older DVDs, etc. to reduce clutter so stuff like that being on netflix is really useful for me.
 
There is no piracy "problem"... it's fictitious and made up by the industries as a bid to try and make more money.

So far only one country I'm aware of has taken an active stance on it and done their own research. Switzerland commissioned an independent study to find out the real impact of piracy.

The study found that people who download movies/music actually purchase MORE, not less... they also found that sales had not dwindled... so they made it legal.

I have followed this trend also, I've bought way more since I've been downloading things.

I was feddup of buying ****... 90% of the things I've purchased, I've seen before I purchased - only when I'm really looking forward to something will I pre-order.

There's no recourse if you don't like something...
 
Stream in hd straight from the studio for a decent return on investment cut out all the physical media and middlemen throughout the entire equation.
 
thep02 said:
Stream in hd straight from the studio for a decent return on investment cut out all the physical media and middlemen throughout the entire equation.
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And how do you think the internet infrastructure in this country will cope when shedloads of people start streaming full HD content? What about those of us who can't get internet that's capable of streaming full HD quality video?
 
I just wish there was a single place or subscription I can buy that has everything on it.
I'd be willing to pay a lot of money for a service like that.
 
The local Empire cinema near us used to work out at £5 for both me and my wife to go on a Wednesday with Orange Wednesdays + Student Cards.

When we were no longer students, it worked out at about £7 for both of us.

Now that Orange Wednesdays has stopped, they still offer Cheap Tuesdays which is half price tickets (works out same price as Orange Wednesdays for two of you) and they've also taken it upon themselves to start running Bogof promotions on Mondays (identical to Orange Wednesdays).

The price has slowly crept up over the years to the point where it now costs us £8 to both watch a new release.

At that price, I can't be bothered pirating. We go nearly every single week and it's become a kind of social thing. Our friends think it's crazy that we've seen most of the new releases all the time and go on about how it's so expensive paying £15 a ticket at the Odeon on a Saturday night.
 
Malevolence said:
And how do you think the internet infrastructure in this country will cope when shedloads of people start streaming full HD content? What about those of us who can't get internet that's capable of streaming full HD quality video?
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The infrastructure will probably cope as this plan will replace all the pirates and keep the studios working on the same money.

If the current economic paradigm continuess the entire infrastructure will be replaced over the coming years.

I'm sure you have other benefits of where you live that outweigh your lack of internet, otherwise you'd move, get a mate to dl your movie choice and keep them in memory untill you decide to watch them.
 
kinobestew123 said:
The local Empire cinema near us used to work out at £5
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There is a regional as well as historical disparity in ticket prices. Take Star Wars, I booked three tickets in the top tier screen at Bluewater in Kent by mistake. The cost was £83. In Cabot Circus (Bristol) at the equivalent screen the cost is £40! Both are run by the same chain - Showcase.
 
thep02 said:
The infrastructure will probably cope as this plan will replace all the pirates and keep the studios working on the same money.
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So you think that replacing all the people who download 2GB-4GB rips with people downloading 50GB of full HD content will be better for the internet infrastructure? How did you figure that one out?
 
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