Thames Valley Police Video - Sexual consent is like making tea

The issue with consent/ no consent is if you pick a girl up in a club. You go back to your hotel, Where you start kissing then she starts sucking etc you both lie on the bed. She climbs on top of you riding like a cowboy stops after shes had a number of orgasms.

But in the morning when she remembers having a boyfriend but doesn't remember saying yes to sex. You're in trouble.......Especially if your a footballer.
 
lafemmefatale said:
Until we start teaching adolescent boys not to rape, instead of teaching adolescent girls that it's their fault for getting raped by what they wear, not much is going to change, even with twee little videos about tea.
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I think you'd be much better suited to posting on mumsnet.
 
lafemmefatale said:
Until we start teaching adolescent boys not to rape, instead of teaching adolescent girls that it's their fault for getting raped by what they wear, not much is going to change, even with twee little videos about tea.
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1. Most boys do not grow up to be rapists, so job done?
2. Please show me where we teach girls it's their fault if they get raped?
3. Rape is illegal, I think that tells everyone that its not permissible.
 
mattyg said:
The issue with consent/ no consent is if you pick a girl up in a club. You go back to your hotel, Where you start kissing then she starts sucking etc you both lie on the bed. She climbs on top of you riding like a cowboy stops after shes had a number of orgasms.

But in the morning when she remembers having a boyfriend but doesn't remember saying yes to sex. You're in trouble.......Especially if your a footballer.
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That's why you don't let her leave. :p
 
mattyg said:
The issue with consent/ no consent is if you pick a girl up in a club. You go back to your hotel, Where you start kissing then she starts sucking etc you both lie on the bed. She climbs on top of you riding like a cowboy stops after shes had a number of orgasms.

But in the morning when she remembers having a boyfriend but doesn't remember saying yes to sex. You're in trouble.......Especially if your a footballer.
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No, the issue there is picking up slappers in clubs.

Keep sex inside long term relationships or marriage and you'll be fine.
 
xxalxx said:
Actually think its quite a good video.
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I agree.. It's a shame we have to go to the lengths of having to explain it but the video actually makes for a light hearted reminder of something serious without it getting too "OMG I don't want to hear this!"
 
Thompson_NCL said:
1. Most boys do not grow up to be rapists, so job done?
2. Please show me where we teach girls it's their fault if they get raped?
3. Rape is illegal, I think that tells everyone that its not permissible.
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German girls near refugee camps are being told to cover up to prevent "misunderstandings" concerning migrant's culture, they are apparently inciting rape by not doing so. That's suggesting it's the girls fault.
 
SciNeT said:
German girls near refugee camps are being told to cover up to prevent "misunderstandings" concerning migrant's culture, they are apparently inciting rape by not doing so. That's suggesting it's the girls fault.
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No it is not. This advice is not teach people the morals of wearing skimpy clothing or rape but to reduce the chances of it happening, nothing more. Why read any more into it? The only ones suggesting that this is what it means are the rapists who get caught and those who are disgruntled by the advice, NOT those giving it.

I would recommend not wearing a £3000 suit and having a rolex on show when walking through a very poor area. Does this mean i am saying it is the rolex owners fault for being robbed if he does get robbed? Of course not, that is stupid. I am merely suggesting that you are increasing your chances of being mugged and because of that you would be better off not doing it for the sake of your own safety.

Is it right that these girls should have to dress one way or another to reduce unwanted attention? no of course not.

Is it the women's fault if they get raped? Obviously not

Does dressing skimpy attract rape? No but it increases lewd attention and therefore could raise the possibility of it happening.

Obviously then the logical answer would be for women who put themselves at greater risks in these areas to reduce the chance of unwanted attention.

What is stupid is people drawing conclusions that being told how to dress means its your fault. This is a simple minded and childish way of thinking. Yes it is wrong it happens but then again rape is wrong and often compromising on the little things when you shouldn't have to can result in avoiding a terrible wrong thing, regardless of fault.

People can have the opinion that a rapist is a rapist and therefore clothes are not going to stop them and while i agree that rapists are a different breed in terms of mentality, you cant deny that not being noticed as much by the rapists near these camps has advantages and few disadvantages
 
Tefal said:
well you know when you and your misuses both have a few drinks and get a bit too drunk and she says "hey arknor come ****me on the kitchen table" ?

yeah that's not consent.
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It's not? she'd say it was in the morning.

obviously with someone you don't really know it's different as you don't know how they really feel about you and it might just be the alcohol talking.
 
arknor said:
obviously with someone you don't really know it's different as you don't know how they really feel about you and it might just be the alcohol talking.
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To be honest, i am of the opinion that if you make a concious decision to get drunk enough that you would pull a stranger and you did it with the intention of pulling a stranger, then really consent was given prior to drinking. Obviously my opinion differs from the law.

People shouldn't let themselves get ****ed enough to pull someone they wouldn't consent to. I have pulled some of the nastier ones when wasted before but there is a big difference between regretting and not consenting. Does alcohol change the possibility of giving consent, yes. But should it be the fault of the partner? certainly not unless they specifically used the alcohol to take advantage of the situation for which i mean not use alcohol to gain an advantage but rather use alcohol to manipulate it.
 
Avenged7Fold said:
No it is not. This advice is not teach people the morals of wearing skimpy clothing or rape but to reduce the chances of it happening, nothing more.
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Yes it is, it's saying short skirts could offend refugees and lead to attacks, so where are the "DON'T TELL US HOW TO DRESS, TELL THE ANIMALS NOT TO RAPE" people?
 
To be honest, i am of the opinion that if you make a concious decision to get drunk enough that you would pull a stranger and you did it with the intention of pulling a stranger, then really consent was given prior to drinking. Obviously my opinion differs from the law.
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well it's my opinion as well that if someone intends to go out drinking and to pull a guy that consent is given the moment they pull the guy as surely that was their whole plan for the evening?


I don't do one night stands anyway and I wouldn't sleep with someone on the first date.

I have little interest in a drunken romp with a stranger so I'll stick with the law and general consensus that if a woman is drunk she can't give consent.

obviously in a relationship no one is sticking with that rubbish, you know your partner loves you and it's not just because they are drunk.
Your taking advantage of no one
 
SciNeT said:
German girls near refugee camps are being told to cover up to prevent "misunderstandings" concerning migrant's culture, they are apparently inciting rape by not doing so. That's suggesting it's the girls fault.
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I dont consider that to be the only logical conclusion. Could it not also be that they are advising women how to minimise their risk?

If I leave my door unlocked and get burgled, the criminal is still in the wrong. But I could have minimised my risk by locking the door.

Mind you, I'd rather we just got rid of the migrants in this case.
 
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