Thames Valley Police Video - Sexual consent is like making tea

There have been attempts to police it but there are just no resources to do so with the vast numbers of people so obviously it isn't as effective as you would like.

Could short skirts offend the refugees? yes

Could it lead to attacks? well the incidents speak for themselves.

Whether the above is right or wrong in your head is irrelevant. Fact is, if wearing short skirts could increase the chances of rape there, then it is better not to wear them and to inform others of the risk. Laying blame is not the main priority, it is safety that is the main priority.

If you honestly believe that informing them that the rape is unacceptable will make a difference, then you are being naive. They are aware that it is unacceptable to us, it is just not unacceptable to the rapists. What next after you informed them and it still happens?

If you would rather sit on your moral high ground shouting at a group of people about what is right and wrong rather than reduce the possibilities of atrocities happening by contradicting your will for women to freely wear revealing clothing, then you help no one and if the women there took that attitude they would certainly be worse off.

So you think it is wrong to request that people dress more modestly where the risk is high?

Then what do you propose to do to these people?

They are far too large a force to police with the resources currently available and it is only a minority that cause the problem. What do you propose should be done which is both attuned to your moral fibre and prevents rapes, as well as is realistic?
 
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Do you think when a parent tells their teenage daughter to put more clothes on before going out that they are pre-emptively placing blame on their daughter? cause of risk =/= blame

If she were to run into some unsavoury characters later that night, would the parents blame her for it and say 'well, that's what you get!'?

Yes some of these migrants are of the opinion that it is the women fault but we are not talking about the opinion of savages. We are talking about the local officials near these camps. You can bet that those guys hold a stronger opinion against these migrants than anyone here, saying that they are placing blame of rape on the local girls due to their advising is simple minded and ridiculous.
 
Would the matter of consent not - in some cases - come under contract law?

Say a girl meets a guy in a bar, girl fancies some "free" drinks, chats up the guy and essentially say "buy me a couple of drinks and I'll come back to yours later for a bit of 'fun'".

If he buys her the drinks and then later she withdraws consent, is she not in breach of contract? Surely in this case he would at least be entitled to claim the cost of the drinks back from her? :p
 
SciNeT said:
German girls near refugee camps are being told to cover up to prevent "misunderstandings" concerning migrant's culture, they are apparently inciting rape by not doing so. That's suggesting it's the girls fault.
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No, crime isn't the victims fault. Telling them to cover up near the migrants from another culture is sensible advice - just like making sure you're able to get home safely when drunk, stick with your mates, don't take unlicensed cabs etc..

If you leave a wallet or handbag on display in a car and the window gets smashed it isn't your fault and you weren't asking for it, you're still a victim.

Fact is though that these are people who are from a culture where women mostly dress conservatively in public - they already have slightly warped views of western women, assume that they're easy etc.. especially if they're dressed more provocatively than they're used to. Dressing provocatively probably does draw potentially dangerous attention when you're near a group of men who've been on the road together for days, not much to live for, not sure of their future etc.. It is just sensible advice - it doesn't infer that it is the woman's fault in any way if she chooses not to follow it or is oblivious to it.
 
tea... tea... tea... such a strange sounding word when said 50 times in 3 minutes.

I thought it was a good video, pretty clear to me.
 
arknor said:
It's not? she'd say it was in the morning.

obviously with someone you don't really know it's different as you don't know how they really feel about you and it might just be the alcohol talking.
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Strictly speaking and if you wife choose to pursue it that would be classed as rape.
 
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