The EU Migrant Crisis

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Freefaller said:
Pretty backward attitude that to be honest.
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When Belgium is consistently one of the highest threats in europe for travellers warned about by the foreign office you might think something odd is happening.

Or indeed the steadily worsening situation over the years of the banlieues in your own homeland. Is that progress? It seems regressive.

Btw, worked with, stayed in and lived with people from various middle Eastern countries. It shouldn't stop you from critising actions of the people, culture or state that they or indeed you yourself, belong to.
 
Nutella33 said:
Or indeed the steadily worsening situation over the years of the banlieues in your own homeland. Is that progress? It seems regressive.
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Yes, I'd love to hear his opinion on that. This Guardian article seemed pretty even-handed; does FF agree with their reporting here?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-arab-banlieues-fighting-french-state-extract

The rioters at the Gare du Nord or in the banlieues also often describe themselves as soldiers in a "long war' against France and Europe. The so-called "French intifada", the guerrilla war with police at the edges and in the heart of French cities, is only the latest and most dramatic form of engagement with the enemy.
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When immigrants use words like "enemy" to describe their host nation; when they talk of "intifada" (uprising against oppression), it doesn't paint a picture of integration or mutual benefit.

Isn't that how all this immigration is being sold to us? A healthier economy, a net benefit for all?

And yet they feel oppressed by their "enemy", and are mostly unemployed, according to the article. Would love for FF to gives us a first-hand account.
 
Freefaller said:
I'm not saying some nations are beyond reproach. I am saying sweeping generalisations about them are unacceptable.
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But unavoidable given we are talking about the transit and progress of several millions of people and national and international policy. Your argument is an attempt to reduce the debate to absurdism, given the numbers involved no one can speak on an individual basis for anyone.

And that includes the view that "they are all OK and just want to work and fit in'. Not just "Islam and/or the migrants are hostile". It's a completly pointless point, and one that you fell foul of in the very same post.
 
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I'm sure most are civilised people but a lot of them do have attitudes and beliefs incompatible with our society.

All that is besides the point anyway, we can barely look after our own poor let alone millions more with more complex needs.
 
Freefaller said:
I'm not saying some nations are beyond reproach. I am saying sweeping generalisations about them are unacceptable.
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May I ask the reason why you feel so sorry for these people? is it because you was once one?

From Sept gone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Iq6Yxx6GxY Rubber bullets comes to mind.
But don't worry because as soon as they get their passport they will be over here, unless we leave the EU
 
Tefal said:
You mean exactly like the guy who's seen a few who've been housed behave and is applying that to all of them?


Nah its gotta be fine if it's the other way around right.
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If by a few you mean literally thousands then yes.

Also those videos posted of the rioting, I've seen worse at music festivals in the UK...

I mean its cool if you guys want to live in fear of some imaginary enemy, but as an economic migrant myself (the worst of the worst right?) I can assure you that the vast majority of humans just want to get on with each other.
 
Concrete said:
I mean its cool if you guys want to live in fear of some imaginary enemy, but as an economic migrant myself (the worst of the worst right?) I can assure you that the vast majority of humans just want to get on with each other.
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No fear here. I just oppose being told a mass economic migration due to appallingly bad political management and short termism doesn't have social/economic downsides and that everyone or even a majority are war refugees (who already have legitimate channels to go through).

In your case it would rely on if you work now, if you came here legally or not and whether you are law abiding and socially inclusive.
The exact same standards I hold (apart from the entry issue) to people who were born here. You may note I'm not asking you what colour your skin is or any personal beliefs.

Btw your assertion isn't from being a migrant, its from basic humanity, and exists just as much in the static population. Unfortunately, as I've said above, the issue is when this isn't applied by both sides.
 
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The UK and Europe already has millions of homeless and unemployed of it's own to worry about and now people from, Let's be honest here, Socially backward countries largely ruled by primitive religious doctrine are flooding in.

If someone can't see a problem with that then there's something wrong.
 
Dicehunter said:
The UK and Europe already has millions of homeless and unemployed of it's own to worry about and now people from, Let's be honest here, Socially backward countries largely ruled by primitive religious doctrine are flooding in.

If someone can't see a problem with that then there's something wrong.
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Let's be honest. Nobody here gives a **** about the homeless and unemployed in our own country until there's something like a migrant crisis to kick them about like a political football.

The same people rabbiting on about how much we need to help those in our own country are the same ones who voted for a government that has decimated departments across the UK that helped our most vulnerable.

"We need to help our own" is a load of ******** from people that have never gotten off their backside and been down to their local homeless shelter, or their local drug and alcohol rehab centres to offer voluntary help.

Why is it if there's some sort of perceived external threat everyone is suddenly an altruist to "our own" until the perceived threat passes and they go back to not giving a **** again?
 
Figures from Germany are out from the federal employment agency.

81% of arrivals have absolutely no formal qualifications of any kind. 11% vocational level and 8% university level.
 
Mynight said:
Are you a benefit economic migrant or a working economic migrant? Just out of interest obviously feel free to tell me to off if it's to personal :D.
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I work, and broadly get the same money I would in the UK, maybe a little less. But the quality of living is much much higher in Germany, you pay a lot less tax and everything is cheaper.

Originally from Brighton, no way I could afford to live there now :(

Edit: Everything is cheaper, except inexplicably: graphics cards. No idea why they are so expensive :D
 
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