How disabled do you have to be then?

[arknor]

PIP doesn't care what your disability is.
it only cares how it effects your daily life.

it's a series of questions with answers that give points.
You need XX points to be eligible

It's not based on one thing like how far you can walk, being able to walk a specific distance doesn't automatically disqualify you

 

[TwsT]

indeed

but it's pretty brutal and not equipped to assist anyone.

you have to not be able to eat/bathe/go toilet/count and spend your money/walk alone to get enough points for pip

According to sources you will get rejected first time round regardless.

 

[NexusK]

Seems... odd?

Not really, DWP are well known for pulling dirty tricks that leave you next to no time before the cut off for appealing.

 

[cheesyboy]

Why? A) people drive normal cars with one prosthetic leg, depending where its amputated. 2) an automatic only requires one leg to controlled.

Why would she need, voice, steering ball etc, she hasn't lost am arm.

On the surface of it, this is exactly the stuff we should be cutting back on.

Would tend to agree. On the surface of it, there's no particular reason someone with one leg would need an adapted car beyond simply an automatic. That she's lost her right leg (throttle, brake) might necessitate something, though (?)

E:
I suppose that doesn't mean she doesn't need something to assist in getting around, though. So arguing about the need, or otherwise, of an adapted car is possibly a distraction from that.

 

[LeeUK]

Also what I find with these types of disabled people (those who are always in the press with their accomplishments) is that they cry they are not disabled and that they can do everything better than anyone else, etc etc. But when it comes to hand outs they cry they need it.

 

[Gilly]

Why? A) people drive normal cars with one prosthetic leg, depending where its amputated. 2) an automatic only requires one leg to controlled.

Why would she need, voice, steering ball etc, she hasn't lost am arm.

On the surface of it, this is exactly the stuff we should be cutting back on.

It seems to be her right leg that is gone, so driving an unadapted automatic car would be a struggle.

 

[atpbx]

In regards to not being able to use the bus, where on earth does she live? As the bus stop is right outside the school (actually on the road outside the leisure centre).

It would surely offer services to places in its catchment area?

 

[Cosimo]

If Olivia had appealed, and still been rejected I would put a few quid in.

But as it stands, I believe she is on uneven footing with this one.

I see what you did there.

 

[ubersonic]

Why? A) people drive normal cars with one prosthetic leg, depending where its amputated. 2) an automatic only requires one leg to controlled.

Why would she need, voice, steering ball etc, she hasn't lost am arm.

On the surface of it, this is exactly the stuff we should be cutting back on.

She (or a person with her disability usually) needs the hand throttle control as she's missing her right leg so cannot accelerate with her left properly.

She (or a person with her disability usually) needs the steering ball as the throttle control means she only has one hand free to steer.

She (or a person with her disability usually) needs the steering ball to have indicator buttons or voice control for indication as she won't have a hand free to indicate.


And before you say it yes they could just move the throttle to where the clutch normally is but that is actually more work, more expensive and altering the vehicle instead of adapting it (so insurance/safety aspects come into it).

 

[CREATIVE!11]

The problem is people see a couple people or 1 person taking the **** and assume everyone is.

I claimed JSA for a while when I lost my job due to personal issues and let me tell you this. I saw chavs foreigners sure... all ones media likes to attack and I agree some people need a firm push to get up and work/not take the ****.

But a lot of the times I just saw a lot of broken humans.... they just looked broken and they talked like it too. Many a time I just heard conversations with advisors and genuinely some people are ****ed.

What do you do about it? I don't know. I agree there needs to be a better system in place to deal with this but people just need to calm down and quit getting riled up and claiming everyone is just being lazy.

Sorry to say life isn't that simple, it'd be grand if it was.

This windbag has done nothing to alleviate the problems either, his "reforms" all sucked and failed. If they actually worked fair enough but he's proven he is incompetent.

 

[Glaucus]

Why would it be a struggle. Adam hills who rightnleg is gone below the knee drives a normal car and always has.

Although I do agree the test is stupid. Doesn't matter how far you can walk. It's can you drive.

 

[Tephnos]

Some brutal people in this thread!

 

[Uther]

Some brutal people in this thread!

There'll be more along later I suspect. It's their taxes innit.

 

[atpbx]

Some brutal people in this thread!

I don't think it's them being brutal, they just want more information.

Why hasn't she appealed?
Where does she live in relation to the school that means she can't get a bus there?

In her situation I would be thinking "fine, I'll use some of the money from my leg fund" and just get on with it.

I go to the gym with a guy who has an artificial leg, he is brutal, he hammers the **** out of then running machine and leg press.
I have genuinely been under the impression that walking with one is awkward and uncomfortable, but certainly not impossible.

 

[Gogl]

She (or a person with her disability usually) needs the hand throttle control as she's missing her right leg so cannot accelerate with her left properly.

She (or a person with her disability usually) needs the steering ball as the throttle control means she only has one hand free to steer.

She (or a person with her disability usually) needs the steering ball to have indicator buttons or voice control for indication as she won't have a hand free to indicate.

Any idea what the cost of having a car adapted with these is?

 

[TheVoice]

Why would it be a struggle. Adam hills who rightnleg is gone below the knee drives a normal car and always has.

So because one person can manage, the rest should be able to too?

 

[glenimp617]

Yep

I know people who are disabled and get nothing, and I also know people who claim disability and are fitter than a fiddle!

 

[Tephnos]

I don't think it's them being brutal, they just want more information.

Why hasn't she appealed?
Where does she live in relation to the school that means she can't get a bus there?

In her situation I would be thinking "fine, I'll use some of the money from my leg fund" and just get on with it.

I go gym with a guy who has an artificial leg, he is brutal, he hammers the **** out of then running machine and leg press.

Problem is, it's pretty short sighted to think that just because you've seen one guy who can take his disability like a champion, that everyone else can.

We're humans, not machines. We've all got our limits and this kind of system sounds like it is shafting those who can't 'man up' for x amount of reasons.

 

[Uther]

Any idea what the cost of having a car adapted with these is?

It's expensive. I think the motability lease is extended to five years instead of three when you have adaptions.

 

[MattU]

I would think still having a knee gives you a lot more control over your lower prosthetic limb too, driving without a knee must be a lot harder.