Free Movement Between, Aus, NZ, UK, Canada

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If they agree to this it will destroy their community. I LOVE the Australian way and the British kinda ruin it. Australia isn't perfect but they have the right idea of life.
You want it - then work for it. This takes all that away and means people can move because they're bored, not because they can take anything good to the country.
 
Hahah so much funny ******** on this forum.

This is a great idea, and I am fully for it. Ive always seen the world open for travel, not just to commonwealth countries.

HOWEVER, nearly all of you are the biggest hypocrites ive ever encountered. Its ok for an Aus guy to have free roam in a country that has nothing to do with him (apart from in history), with probable access to benefits and living....but for any other immigrant to come over to the UK is not ok (the general consensus on this forum from my past readings of debates).
 
helpimcrap said:
If they agree to this it will destroy their community. I LOVE the Australian way and the British kinda ruin it. Australia isn't perfect but they have the right idea of life.
You want it - then work for it. This takes all that away and means people can move because they're bored, not because they can take anything good to the country.
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Really? The Australians struck me for the most part as just being overgrown teenagers. Their domestic political situation right now is also a farce.
 
Nix said:
Really? The Australians struck me for the most part as just being overgrown teenagers. Their domestic political situation right now is also a farce.
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Indeed, i dont think many of the people posting Aus is amazing have ever been there. It really isn't that great, and I know i wouldn't go back. It's like England, but agreed, more immature and well...like England. So that's enough for me.
 
Dark_Injection said:
Hahah so much funny ******** on this forum.

This is a great idea, and I am fully for it. Ive always seen the world open for travel, not just to commonwealth countries.

HOWEVER, nearly all of you are the biggest hypocrites ive ever encountered. Its ok for an Aus guy to have free roam in a country that has nothing to do with him (apart from in history), with probable access to benefits and living....but for any other immigrant to come over to the UK is not ok (the general consensus on this forum from my past readings of debates).
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Some of us would genuinely prefer no free movement at all, including between us and the EU.

It should be incumbent on each country to determine how many people it can realistically support, and to do as much as possible to prevent undue stress on its public services and prevent overcrowding/ social unrest.

Free movement may be attractive to some, but it's not without problems. Being unable to prevent immigration when your public services and available housing are close to saturation point is not a clever idea.

So maybe don't paint us all as hypocrites.
 
Tunney said:
We don't? We have quite a long shared history...
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There isn't much in terms of blood ties. I like the French and agree we have much in common which is why I am okay with free movement between Britain and France.

Again, I'd question whether the majority of people in Australia, New Zealand and Canada have much British blood in them. Canada has a large French-speaking community plus other large immigrant communities from Asia and the rest of Europe.
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It's impossible to say the exact percentage, because people with a British heritage may no longer identify as being British. But Canada's own statistics show that the majority do identify as being partly of British, English or Scottish ancestry.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/demo26a-eng.htm
 
Nix said:
Really? The Australians struck me for the most part as just being overgrown teenagers. Their domestic political situation right now is also a farce.
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When I visited last year I got on best with the Australians rather than the British ex-pats. I had to join a couple for a seat at a pub and got on like a house on fire, I'd talk to people on the underground. It was just a fantastic experience. But I admit I am not the most mature person - I love having fun and enjoying life.

Their political situation cannot be any more of a farce than the UK surely?

The parties, system in the UK and the actual candidates who are 'the future' is laughable. As a nation we actually promote that kind of person to be looked up to.... :(
 
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I was once considering a permanent move to Canada only to be let down by how difficult it is to gain residency! This has just re peaked a long lost interest.
 
FoxEye said:
Some of us would genuinely prefer no free movement at all, including between us and the EU.

It should be incumbent on each country to determine how many people it can realistically support, and to do as much as possible to prevent undue stress on its public services and prevent overcrowding/ social unrest.

Free movement may be attractive to some, but it's not without problems. Being unable to prevent immigration when your public services and available housing are close to saturation point is not a clever idea.

So maybe don't paint us all as hypocrites.
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Well a lot of you here are hypocrites and racists, this being proved many times over (just check out all the locked posts on EU immigration recently) and some of the previous comments in this post.

Yes i get it, you care about public services and the well being of your precious system. I don't care for these things and don't go about my daily life worrying about if another person just entered 'my country'. I do see the world as a place of unlimited access because as British citizens we have this privilege, minus a visa fee. Others not.

Anyway, that was slightly digressing off topic.

Just 2 different ways of life colliding.
 
FoxEye said:
Some of us would genuinely prefer no free movement at all, including between us and the EU.
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Yes, but you Cornish would probably want to prevent free movement even within the UK - stop rich pensioners who aren't 'local' from snapping up the best seaside cottages etc..
 
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Ok so wealth it a big part, what else do we share more of with Japan than Jamaica?
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Burnsy, I'm sure you're a smart enough chap.

What happens if we make free movement agreements with a country which has:

a lot of poor, disaffected people
higher unemployment
worse education
less welfare
worse prospects for its citizens

Wouldn't they be mad not to flock over here?

And what's in it for us? It has been shown that migration is not /always/ a net benefit to the UK. And isn't it likely to be even less a good deal if we're taking in the poorest citizens from someone like Eirtrea. Now Jamaica might well be better off, but the same thing applies.

Why do we want people from poorer nations to be free to come here without restriction? "What's in it for us" might sound like a cold hearted question, but really, what /is/ in it for us as a country?

dowie said:
Yes, but you Cornish would probably want to prevent free movement even within the UK - stop rich pensioners who aren't 'local' from snapping up the best seaside cottages etc..
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And you would ignore local concerns, ride roughshot over the local council, and force them either out of the county or into slums, for the sake of your rich pals. Because rich people matter more, and nobody who isn't rich has a right to anything, if they can't afford it.

We know dowie. Thanks for contributing.
 
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I'm an Australian living in the UK with my British partner. I spent 5 years in the UK before we decided to give Oz a go but had to come back after two years because my partners parents health issues.

The amount of money we've had to pay for visas has been sickening! I'm all for free movement because of this plus the fact I think we need to keep close ties to one another for trade and defence.
 
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And you would ignore local concerns, ride roughshot over the local council, and force them either out of the county or into slums, for the sake of your rich pals. Because rich people matter more, and nobody who isn't rich has a right to anything, if they can't afford it.

We know dowie. Thanks for contributing.
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no I'm just in favour of free movement - both in the EU and with similar countries such as Aus, Canada, NZ etc...

though yes you don't have a 'right' to assets you can't afford to pay for

but the rest of your post is just your own projections and waffle
 
Dark_Injection said:
Indeed, i dont think many of the people posting Aus is amazing have ever been there. It really isn't that great, and I know i wouldn't go back. It's like England, but agreed, more immature and well...like England. So that's enough for me.
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Exactly, people go on holiday, have a great time and wish it'd never end and so confuse that with it being a better place to live overall. While it might be for some, for a lot when the reality of having a job, paying taxes and bills, grocery shopping etc. means it isn't quite as good as their holiday. If this free movement thing came in, I'd still live in the UK despite it being crap - I'm British so I'm only happy when I'm moaning about something :)

In case anyone is wondering why UK, Canada, Aus & NZ? What we have in common etc? It's called the Anglosphere (though that link includes Ireland who I don't agree should be there). Ultimately if the **** went down in the UK, it'd only be the US, Canada, Aus & NZ who I would expect any sort of help from. Who you are and where you came from matters, despite the cultural marxists pretending it doesn't. Long live the Anglo-Saxon empire!
 
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You know Foxeye, there may be nothing in it for 'us'.

But there are people in the world much worse off than you.

Giving them a chance to improve life should never be a bad thing, ever. If they succeed and work hard (and have normal access like a UK citizen, so not illegal) they may actually do well for the country. Just remember your next door neighbour might plowing on JSA and benefits whilst doing nothing with his life.

It does not matter where a person comes from, its just about letting people have a chance in life. Everyone takes and lives there life differently.

Also...its only the UK mate. Hardly the hold grail of the planet like a lot of your right wing idealists think.
 
They'd never agree to it because of all the immigrants we'd let in here would flock to them through the UK lol
 
Burnsy2023 said:
Ok so wealth it a big part, what else do we share more of with Japan than Jamaica?
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Why does it matter? The economic difference is so massive, anything else is inconsequential.

I also believe your line of question is disingenuous. You're angling for an opportunity to call me a racist rather than genuinely interested in my argument.
 
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