Free Movement Between, Aus, NZ, UK, Canada

[Schlong&Stable]

You know Foxeye, there may be nothing in it for 'us'.

But there are people in the world much worse off than you.

Giving them a chance to improve life should never be a bad thing, ever. If they succeed and work hard (and have normal access like a UK citizen, so not illegal) they may actually do well for the country. Just remember your next door neighbour might plowing on JSA and benefits whilst doing nothing with his life.

It does not matter where a person comes from, its just about letting people have a chance in life. Everyone takes and lives there life differently.

Also...its only the UK mate. Hardly the hold grail of the planet like a lot of your right wing idealists think.

There are literally billions of people worse off than us. Do they all deserve an opportunity to come here and contribute? I don't think you've thought this through.

 

[FoxEye]

You know Foxeye, there may be nothing in it for 'us'.

But there are people in the world much worse off than you.

Ah, I'm glad you've been honest here.

Yes there are billions of people worse off than us. The amount of people worse off than us could fill up the UK many times over. Billions of them.

Not only do we not have enough land for them all, we would collapse under the the stress of increased demand for limited resources long before then.

Resources are limited in many ways. Geographically and economically resources are limited in this country. We can't help all these poor people.

Also, do you want to start giving away all of your salary above, eg, 20k to help people in poorer nations?

Giving them a chance to improve life should never be a bad thing, ever. If they succeed and work hard (and have normal access like a UK citizen, so not illegal) they may actually do well for the country. Just remember your next door neighbour might plowing on JSA and benefits whilst doing nothing with his life.

It does not matter where a person comes from, its just about letting people have a chance in life. Everyone takes and lives there life differently.

Also...its only the UK mate. Hardly the hold grail of the planet like a lot of your right wing idealists think.

You're being 100% idealist, like some others here. "Everybody should have the same chance we do."

This completely ignore ALL practical considerations, and is frankly unworkable.

Why should we accept the burden of helping the world's poor, when often their own governments don't want to know? Why?

 

[Dark_Injection]

There are literally billions of people worse off than us. Do they all deserve an opportunity to come here and contribute? I don't think you've thought this through.

Mate they can happily go there and contribute, and more than likely succeed better than you. Like i said, it isn't the holy grail of the planet by any means.

Also, i can guarantee that all of those 'billions' wouldn't just flock for the UK. People live different lives all over the world. What the 'west' may class as a poor man in the mountains in India is accustomed to his way of life. He wont instantly change this just because the UK is 'open'. He lives a fruitful, peaceful life. There will be people, yes, but you seem to have no reality on other cultures and perspectives like a lot of others on here. It only comes from the being a racist Brit stand point.

Just to hear you all moan on here would be enough satisfaction though.

 

[FoxEye]

Mate they can happily go there and contribute, and more than likely succeed better than you. Like i said, it isn't the holy grail of the planet by any means.

Also, i can guarantee that all of those 'billions' wouldn't just flock for the UK. People live different lives all over the world. What the 'west' may class as a poor man in the mountains in India is accustomed to his way of life. He wont instantly change this just because the UK is 'open'. He lives a fruitful, peaceful life. There will be people, yes, but you seem to have no reality on other cultures and perspectives like a lot of others on here. It only comes from the being a racist Brit stand point.

Just to hear you all moan on here would be enough satisfaction though.

Yet how many people from Eastern Europe did come here when the free movement was given them?

Not all, but enough.

You saying they didn't? Or that poor people from India, Jamaica, etc, wouldn't do the same thing?

You have any evidence or anything, apart from "them feels" that the world should be equal?

 

[Dark_Injection]

Yet how many people from Eastern Europe did come here when the free movement was given them?

Not all, but enough.

You saying they didn't? Or that poor people from India, Jamaica, etc, wouldn't do the same thing?

You have any evidence or anything, apart from "them feels" that the world should be equal?

You want to talk about real poor people in India as an example then you go find me a guy in the slums in Delhi who could save up enough money and live to get a flight and passport to the UK. You're having a laugh, and a big one.

I said you have no perspective, and you've probably seen nothing with your eyes apart from what is only coming across in the UK.

Not everyone will flock there. People from the East did, and whats then been the ACTUAL problem, apart from you and lots of others not being overly happy? Your just stating a fact.

'Them feels'? Are you 6? Ive just seen a lot, and I know how I live in the world, and how I want it to be.

We just lead very different lives.

 

[FoxEye]

One last thing. Tell me, Dark_Injection, how the Indian government (and the Indian middle classes) view the poor in their own country. Tell me how the Chinese government, middle class, view the poor in China.

Now tell me how we view the poor in our own country.

Then try this for a thought experiment. Try increasing the number of poor in this country so that we have no chance whatsoever of raising them out of poverty.

Now tell me if the UK government's attitude to the poor begins to mirror that of India, China. And the attitude of our own middle class. Now tell me it isn't a bit like that already.

You know what I can see as the future for all three of those countries? A walled garden for the rich, with their own Police and military presence. Outside the walls, endless slums where people murder each other over a loaf of bread. Every country in the world will be equal. The richest will continue to live the lives we live today, and everyone else will exist in the wasteland outside the walls.

All the nations of the world will be equal, but it won't be the way you envisage. The poor will just be left to fend for themselves or die out. Technology (automation) will replace all the menial labour done by the poor, and the rich will have no need of them.

...and I know how I live in the world, and how I want it to be.

If you want equality now, as I said, start giving away your salary to the poor. Don't allow yourself to earn more than 20k or so, give the rest away. You can start today if you really want.

 

[Dark_Injection]

If you want equality now, as I said, start giving away your salary to the poor. Don't allow yourself to earn more than 20k or so, give the rest away. You can start today if you really want.

Have done for the last few years.

 

[FoxEye]

Have done for the last few years.

If true, you're a better man than I.

But honestly, I'm not going to follow suit, and I don't think many people here would. It's for India to sort their poor out, and China to sort their poor out. They both have nuclear and space programmes.

The same applies to the African nations too. They could help their own poor more than they choose to. How many of their leaders have a fleet of Bentleys, etc.

I'm not rich anyhow. Barely make more than the 20k cap that I mentioned. Enough to get by but no more. So I don't feel any guilt at not giving. If I was earning 100k, I would probably give more, probably.