AMD R9 Fury X Leaps Ahead Of Nvidia GTX 980 Ti With The Latest Windows 10 Drivers

LoadsaMoney · 8 Nov 2015 at 16:52

Dave2150 · 8 Nov 2015 at 16:59

humbug said:
390 is already a good 6% ahead of the GTX 970.
390X a match for the GTX 980.

Indeed, and awesome to see AMD comprehensively beat NVIDIA for price/performance at every single market point

Disco_P · 8 Nov 2015 at 17:00

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Silent_Scone · 8 Nov 2015 at 17:11

Performance boosts are always good news. Worth pointing out that comparison is with a different suite of games, though. It's not a direct comparison by any means.

humbug · 8 Nov 2015 at 17:14

GoogalyMoogaly said:
So you're saying AMD's drivers are rubbish until about 3 years after release?

Ask me if i think AMD Drivers were rubbish up until about 3 years ago.

NirK · 8 Nov 2015 at 17:22

Dave2150 said:
Indeed, and awesome to see AMD comprehensively beat NVIDIA for price/performance at every single market point

The fury X is not as good as the 980ti, so at the high end price point no, those benchmarks are using different games. At lower prices the 390 is good and the fury non X is ok, but still better spending a bit more and getting a 980ti.

easyrider · 8 Nov 2015 at 17:23

Where are the testers ? We now need a thread dedicated to it.

GoogalyMoogaly · 8 Nov 2015 at 17:26

humbug said:
Ask me if i think AMD Drivers were rubbish up until about 3 years ago.

Do ya?

But seriously, how bad do the drivers have to be if they can make big leaps in performance?
I know some people think of it as an upgrade to performance, but surely you could also say you're being robbed of performance by poor drivers in the past while waiting for these updates? If AMD drivers are so good why don't they have this performance from day 1?

fs123 · 8 Nov 2015 at 17:31

GoogalyMoogaly said:
Do ya?

But seriously, how bad do the drivers have to be if they can make big leaps in performance?
I know some people think of it as an upgrade to performance, but surely you could also say you're being robbed of performance by poor drivers in the past while waiting for these updates? If AMD drivers are so good why don't they have this performance from day 1?

You can apply the same question to anything related to software. Why are most games patched after release and gain performance in many cases? Nvidia drivers also gain boosts now and again so are their drivers also bad on day one?

shankly1985 · 8 Nov 2015 at 17:37

GoogalyMoogaly said:
Do ya?

But seriously, how bad do the drivers have to be if they can make big leaps in performance?
I know some people think of it as an upgrade to performance, but surely you could also say you're being robbed of performance by poor drivers in the past while waiting for these updates? If AMD drivers are so good why don't they have this performance from day 1?

Same could be said why do consoles get better over time. Quite simple really when you think about it.. More time you have to work with hardware the more you can get out of them.

GoogalyMoogaly · 8 Nov 2015 at 17:40

fs123 said:
You can apply the same question to anything related to software. Why are most games patched after release and gain performance in many cases? Nvidia drivers also gain boosts now and again so are their drivers also bad on day one?

That's sort of my point. If a game crashed every 20 minutes and then in a year got patched so that it didn't doesn't that indicate the game wasn't very good/stable at the start?

With the graphics cards, the hardware hasn't changed so the drivers COULD be as good on day 1 as they are on day 1001.

Small improvements are one thing, but big jumps are different, suggests that something was being done wrong before or at least much worse.

I think it means drivers could've been better on day 1 but they weren't. I see that as meaning they were worse than they are now. The only people responsible for that are AMD/Nvidia.

Boomstick777 · 8 Nov 2015 at 17:41

Simon Belmont said:
Nvidia wont let that stand for long.

Indeed I'm sure Nvidia are working on some more (Graphical quality reducing) FPS boosting drivers right now

humbug · 8 Nov 2015 at 17:42

GoogalyMoogaly said:
Do ya?

But seriously, how bad do the drivers have to be if they can make big leaps in performance?
I know some people think of it as an upgrade to performance, but surely you could also say you're being robbed of performance by poor drivers in the past while waiting for these updates? If AMD drivers are so good why don't they have this performance from day 1?

I guess you could look at the size of the GPU's, Hawaii is 438mm^2, GK110 (GTX 780TI) is 550mm^2; and yet Hawaii is significantly faster, so AMD are getting a lot more performance per die space, especially in compute, in such case massively more.

So, is Nvidia's Driver performance just bad?

shankly1985 · 8 Nov 2015 at 17:43

GM you clearly very mistaken.. A game crashing vs driver optimisation are two very different things.

GoogalyMoogaly · 8 Nov 2015 at 17:43

humbug said:
I guess you could look at the size of the GPU's, Hawaii is 438mm^2, GK110 (GTX 780TI) is 550mm^2; and yet Hawaii is significantly faster, so AMD are getting a lot more performance per die space, especially in compute, in such case massively more.

So, is Nvidia's Driver performance just bad?

Depends if the drivers are the only thing causing the performance difference. If it's hardware, then I don't think you can blame the drivers.

GoogalyMoogaly · 8 Nov 2015 at 17:48

shankly1985 said:
Same could be said why do consoles get better over time. Quite simple really when you think about it.. More time you have to work with hardware the more you can get out of them.

But AMD/Nvidia built the hardware, surely they should know it pretty well?
Surely it's a bad state of affairs if 12 months later AMD are going "Hey did you know our product can do this?"

humbug · 8 Nov 2015 at 17:51

Simon Belmont said:
Nvidia wont let that stand for long.

I hope not, i hope Nvidia respond with a nice perf- boost for me too.

GoogalyMoogaly said:
Depends if the drivers are the only thing causing the performance difference. If it's hardware, then I don't think you can blame the drivers.

So in the case of Hawaii vs GK110 what do you think it is? why is GK110 so massive and yet cannot keep up with the much smaller Hawaii?

I'll tell you this, i think Fiji is strangled by a lack of ROP's, they could help that with better colour compression.

CEUOTC · 8 Nov 2015 at 17:55

Surely this can only be a good thing for all? I want AMD to be competitive, just as l want Nvidia to be competitive.

Holding my hand up l have not read the article, however l want AMD to be snapping at the heals of Nvidia and visa-versa.

shankly1985 · 8 Nov 2015 at 17:56

GoogalyMoogaly said:
But AMD/Nvidia built the hardware, surely they should know it pretty well?
Surely it's a bad state of affairs if 12 months later AMD are going "Hey did you know our product can do this?"

Devs build game engines surely they should know it pretty well? Why do they still release game patches?
Hardware and software development can take a while to optimise for best performance.. These things happen all the time.

GoogalyMoogaly · 8 Nov 2015 at 18:01

shankly1985 said:
Devs build game engines surely they should know it pretty well? Why do they still release game patches?
Hardware and software development can take a while to optimise for best performance.. These things happen all the time.

But surely that means at one point they were worse than they are now? (Which was my original point)

Out of interest, what was the last game patches that offer huge performance jumps like some of AMD's big performance drivers?