US white supremacist sentenced to death

I am against the death penalty because it's impossible to give someone their life back in the event that you screwed up. Releasing someone with compensation at least gives them half a chance.
 
adolf hamster said:
An interesting question, although i'm probably going to end up derailing the thread here, is for those who are against the death penalty (and yes you do have a point, especially with the issue of mistaken verdicts). What would be the alternative?

Life imprisonment is enormously expensive and leads to overflowing prisons, and as much as the reformation beleif is true in principle, in practice it doesnt always work (like many of humanity's good intentions)

This man is a murderer and isn't even sorry, surely there's no place for him in society and death is a much cheaper alternative to keeping him locked up, clothed and fed for the rest of his days.
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Not true, prisons and prisoners are big business, they pay prisoners, albeit tiny amounts, to work and the profits roll in.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-pr...es-big-business-or-a-new-form-of-slavery/8289
 
Put him in prison forever or until he can show he wasn't guilty. I know that's unlikely in this case but in other cases it's less clear cut and people have certainly been put on death row then subsequently found to be not guilty, and the prosecution to have known this be the case. So get rid of the death penalty.

His views are irrelevant to this.
 
jsmoke said:
Not true, prisons and prisoners are big business, they pay prisoners, albeit tiny amounts, to work and the profits roll in.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-pr...es-big-business-or-a-new-form-of-slavery/8289
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A valid point, although mostly american i beleive. I know they always used to be big on making number plates, mail sacks etc in prisons (i think zippo's are made there too).

I'm really thinking in terms of cases like this where the fellow freely admits to the crimes, compared to trickier cases where as others have mentioned, folk can be later proven not guilty.

I'd be interested to know what compensation is given to folk who have been wrongly imprisoned and later found innocent, thats a lot of time not working, not developing your skills (to say nothing of your already smashed career chances anyway).
 
Worse people out there who just get life in prison, but then again that's why you don't represent yourself in court.
 
adolf hamster said:
I'm really thinking in terms of cases like this where the fellow freely admits to the crimes, compared to trickier cases where as others have mentioned, folk can be later proven not guilty.
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What if people are admitting to the crime to protect a higher up member of a crime family/syndicate? That's before you get onto the mental health arguments.
 
adolf hamster said:
An interesting question, although i'm probably going to end up derailing the thread here, is for those who are against the death penalty (and yes you do have a point, especially with the issue of mistaken verdicts). What would be the alternative?
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Exile.

The island would be safe and have enough resources for inmates to grow their own food, but surrounding waters dangerous enough (and no nearby ferry routes) that they wouldn't attempt to escape. There would be an initial cost in sending them to the island + resources, but once they're dropped off, there would be no running cost. The escort boat would have security personnel to save from getting ambushed by existing inmates on the island.
 
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adolf hamster said:
A valid point, although mostly american i beleive. I know they always used to be big on making number plates, mail sacks etc in prisons (i think zippo's are made there too).

I'm really thinking in terms of cases like this where the fellow freely admits to the crimes, compared to trickier cases where as others have mentioned, folk can be later proven not guilty.

I'd be interested to know what compensation is given to folk who have been wrongly imprisoned and later found innocent, thats a lot of time not working, not developing your skills (to say nothing of your already smashed career chances anyway).
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They will get zero compensation in the vast majority of cases, the state would never admit it's wrong. They would generally be offered a plea of no contest on the grounds that they don't sue, don't profit and don't get any compensation. I assume we are still talking about the States here.
 
jsmoke said:
They will get zero compensation in the vast majority of cases, the state would never admit it's wrong. They would generally be offered a plea of no contest on the grounds that they don't sue, don't profit and don't get any compensation. I assume we are still talking about the States here.
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We can be talking about the states of the uk, i suspected the states wouldnt (although theres probably an industry of lawyers getting compensation, or at least claiming to)

Pawnless Endgame said:
Exile.

The island would be safe and have enough resources for inmates to grow their own food, but surrounding waters dangerous enough (and no nearby ferry routes) that they wouldn't attempt to escape. There would be an initial cost in sending them to the island + resources, but once they're dropped off, there would be no running cost. The escort boat would have security personnel to save from getting ambushed by existing inmates on the island.
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A valid point, but sadly australia's full :p
 
State sanctioned murder is never the answer to manage crime, enough evidence floating about that it does not reduce crime that carries the death penalty. Murder is murder regardless if the law says state sanctioned death is OK. I can never support the death penalty.

Now back to the OPs question - are you saying he is being put to death because he killed Jews rather than killing 2 people?
 
adolf hamster said:
An interesting question, although i'm probably going to end up derailing the thread here, is for those who are against the death penalty (and yes you do have a point, especially with the issue of mistaken verdicts). What would be the alternative?

Life imprisonment is enormously expensive and leads to overflowing prisons, and as much as the reformation beleif is true in principle, in practice it doesnt always work (like many of humanity's good intentions)

This man is a murderer and isn't even sorry, surely there's no place for him in society and death is a much cheaper alternative to keeping him locked up, clothed and fed for the rest of his days.
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I don't think you can put a price on society's morality.
 
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