Feedback on today's announcement

Have to say there are quite a few posts on her now that I feel could do with some mod intervention.

Ironic. They go out of there way to produce this mission statement and when something needs to be done they are no where to be seen.
 
A few thoughts as they occur:
  • To people pointing out these aren't particularly new rules but simply restated - you're probably right but if it helps by being clearer then that's not a bad thing.
  • People expecting absolute consistency - sorry but it's never going to happen. As a moderation team we do want to be better and I'd venture it is better than it has been at certain points but moderators are human and we don't always view things in the same way. It's also worth pointing out that the examples of inconsistency tend to be jarring precisely because they stand out which probably implies that much of the time the moderation is ok and consistent.
  • There seems to be a sense from some that they're not happy with the status quo but nor are they happy about the changes that have been made. Wouldn't it make more sense to see whether the changes do anything before deriding them - unless the whole aim is simply to complain?
  • Whatever else you may think of these announcements they've got a debate going and raised the issues - I'm not sure how discussing standards of behaviour and what we, as a forum, consider acceptable could be a bad thing.
  • If you don't think that setting out the rules is going to do much to change anything then perhaps it's worth asking yourself what has been lost in the posting of them? If nothing improves then the forums are still as they were, the only real reason to object would surely be if you thought it would make things worse and I'm not certain how that would happen. Hopefully however it does help even if it's just from getting the debate going.
  • Not everyone posting now has been here for a long time but if you've been posting for 5+ years (maybe even in a shorter time period it would be apparent) then hopefully you've noticed that there has been a move towards greater transparency and acceptance of debate and discussion about moderating decisions. It's not been an instant thing and the moderation is not perfect but we do try our best.
  • Moderators are almost exclusively not shop employees which means that any time we spend here is not paid for by the forums and that's absolutely fine, we give up that time willingly. I can't speak for all moderators but at the risk of descending into cliché I'd suspect for many it's about trying to help out and give something back by attempting to keep the forums running smoothly.
 
Yas786 said:
You are right, people calling you racist is the wrong term. What would have been the correct term is bigot or xenophobe. Moreso when people justify their views/opinions with irrational reasoning.


Tbh I don't really bother with this place nowadays, if I post it's usually in the console part or sometimes the football part of the forum. Guess I just got fed up of the usual Islam bashing threads. Although I haven't seen many of them in here lately plus there are a couple of Dons who I think could do with some growing up ie thinking that by making someone look silly is something to be proud of etc.

Like I said I don't bother with this part of the forum, I just come and have a quick look through and that's it.
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Well as they say in Japan, Too many mind. Taking a holiday from GD is like not reading the Daily Mail. 100% proven to make you less bald, Less hostile and more relaxed. I find the more i stay away from here and news articles on Google the better i feel about life in general.

Not that it is a huge dig at GD, But just that you come into contact with people with opposing views far too often and normally it can mean having an arguement nearly every day. That can not be healthy for a person surely.
 
Rofflay said:
But just that you come into contact with people with opposing views far too often and normally it can mean having an arguement nearly every day. That can not be healthy for a person surely.
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I might be in the minority with this opinion, but isn't the whole point of discussion to expose yourself to different views, to have your mind changed, and/or to change minds? I'd argue that it is more healthy to be around people that hold opposing views than it is to surround yourself with people who nod in agreement to your every utterance. Would you prefer a "Agree with the OP or GTFO" section? I'm sure it can be arranged; us mods have nothing better to do after all :p
 
I think its sometimes the way people speak to others about there opposing views and the way they do it goes against this mission statement which has been produced
 
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Zefan said:
I might be in the minority with this opinion, but isn't the whole point of discussion to expose yourself to different views, to have your mind changed, and/or to change minds? I'd argue that it is more healthy to be around people that hold opposing views than it is to surround yourself with people who nod in agreement to your every utterance.
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Agreed!

I like to challenge peoples views, have them challenge mine, learn new things, see where I may be wrong, find new perspective.
 
Nodiggidy123 said:
I think its sometimes the way people speak to others about there opposing views and the way they do it goes against this mission statement which has been produced
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The way to deal with that is if they become blurred of vision or angry, personal or abusive then the discussion is over. Smile and move on is my advice. No point debating with people who MUST be right or who seek to throw stones. Time to bail from the thread and do something different. Getting to the point of doing that is the secret to forum happiness :D
 
Nodiggidy123 said:
I think its sometimes the way people speak to others about there opposing views and the way they do it goes against this mission statement which has been produced
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Exactly - which is why intent is extremely important. I understand that judging someone's intent is not an exact science - especially over a medium such as the internet - but essentially that's why moderators exist, to be the judges of this, as a team.

Hitman_Leon said:
Agreed!

I like to challenge peoples views, have them challenge mine, learn new things, see where I may be wrong, find new perspective.
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I'm glad I'm not alone :p

Housey said:
The way to deal with that is if they become blurred of vision or angry, personal or abusive then the discussion is over. Smile and move on is my advice. No point debating with people who MUST be right or who seek to throw stones. Time to bail from the thread and do something different. Getting to the point of doing that is the secret to forum happiness :D
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It's also the secret to domestic bliss :D
 
Housey said:
The way to deal with that is if they become blurred of vision or angry, personal or abusive then the discussion is over. Smile and move on is my advice. No point debating with people who MUST be right or who seek to throw stones. Time to bail from the thread and do something different. Getting to the point of doing that is the secret to forum happiness :D
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I agree but when there are a set of standards for this forum which get consistently broken and nothing gets done. It's bound to get a few backs up. This thread is a great example of that
 
Not for me no but I can't speak for others.

If someone has been rtm'ing posts and no action is taken and then reacts to those posts and all of a sudden gets a ban. It's going to upset people.

Your exactly right It doesn't really matter at all but people do feel genuinely aggrieved by some of things which get said.
 
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Nodiggidy123 said:
I agree but when there are a set of standards for this forum which get consistently broken and nothing gets done. It's bound to get a few backs up. This thread is a great example of that
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If you're hoping something will be immediately deleted just because it's been RTMd then you're gonna have a bad time. Things don't happen instantly I'm afraid. Give the team time. We're not all here 24/7, and we won't necessarily take action alone. There's a lot discussed that you don't see, I know you might imagine the life of a Don is all booze and hookers but we do fit in some admin now and again ;)
 
I like this forum, have learnt lots, had scintillating discussions in speakers forum with loads of scope with very good moderation. And it has increased my rookie PC IQ. After all it is a computer forum and there are some sterling members who patiently dispense top tech advice.

I have been surprised by the level of trolling when posting normal stuff in GD, I can just ignore that in middle age. It takes a lot to make me cry.

I have been moderated, not necessarily because I was intentionally breaking rules or being provocative and on balance, on reflection, I am fine with that, it isn't my forum, I am not spending my time maintaining it and moderating it and I am grateful to be able to use it and be a part of it.
 
I like the 'no tolerance for abuse' rule. I have that on my own forum (photography) and I land like a ton of brick on any direct or veiled attack. I you discuss, you can argue, but you have to assume that the other person is sitting in an armchair alonside you and be civil and polite. You can tease, you can joke, you can nudge, but with respect.
And if you don't like someone's opinion, it's a lot easier to just ignore it and not reply.

Now, for the time where you WANT to troll (don't we all have that pulsion now and then?) we used before a separate forum called LDP for (Langue de Pute) aka "Serpent tongue" where basically it's free for all (legal) comments, including about other members, but, it's /implied/ that whatever is posted there is worthless, false, and baseless. Like a black hole. Can still be a laugh tho.

example: "I'm SURE I've seen Housey walking out of starbucks with Zefan's wallet, the slime!!"
Usually these would be related to another topic that would NOT then be poluted by odd private jokes and so on, while still allowing a bit of banter.

Anyway, just an idea...
 
Zefan said:
If you're hoping something will be immediately deleted just because it's been RTMd then you're gonna have a bad time. Things don't happen instantly I'm afraid. Give the team time. We're not all here 24/7, and we won't necessarily take action alone. There's a lot discussed that you don't see, I know you might imagine the life of a Don is all booze and hookers but we do fit in some admin now and again ;)
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Other Posters on this thread have made a few comments about deffamatory remarks on other threads. I'm only saying as I see it.

Of course only you guys know what goes on behind the scenes but for the everyday poster. Things might appear different
 
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