Court Case: woman tricked into sex with a woman pretending to be a man

It's just friendly jesting, nothing serious. Fair enough though, it is off topic.
Then again, the whole reason it's even at this point is because someone decided to make the thread about something it never was...
 
I've always been mystified by the eagerness of some men to watch porno where another guy's meat and two veg is spoiling the view. In short, if you like to watch hetero porn, you're at "Ha, guaaay!" on the gay-o-meter.
 
You have made some good posts/points in this and other recent threads Uncle Petey, we just need some people to stop having argumentative exchanges that have been developing and turning the thread into an argument rather than a discussion.
 
Uncle Petey said:
Don't pretend you've never watched a scene and thought "Nice ****, mate".
It doesn't necessarily mean you want to have a go or anything.
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It's weird, many years ago a friend of mine put some porno on VHS, and he was like "Don't pretend you're not interested" when I wasn't paying much attention, and I'm thinking, might have even said "He looks like Geppetto for ****'s sake, how can anyone get a boner over this?"

Gilly said:
Erm.

I think we're a bit close to the bone here
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Lol! :D Truth is there are more chaps here that are closer to the bone than even they likely realize themselves.

Uncle Petey said:
Just light hearted ribbing. That's all it is, I assure you :)
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For who's pleasure?
 
Gogl said:
For who's pleasure?
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lafemmefatale said:
Just trying to get my head around how if one person can be born straight, one born gay, one bi and one trans, it's perfectly natural yet one gets to be normal at the expense of the others? That just doesn't make sense.
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It makes sense when you consider that the word "normal" means "what usually happens".

So yes, heterosexuality is normal. Homosexuality, bisexuality and transexualism are abnormal. So is being over 6 feet tall or having red hair or being left handed and all sorts of other things.
 
Rofflay said:
They are suggestable and may think it normal, They should be free to find out for themselves not be introduced to it. So do not be silly. And if the arguement is gay people are born that way what would be the problem? they would still end up going down the same path anyways?
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By the same argument, children should be shielded from people over 6 feet tall in the same way for the same reason. Being over 6 feet tall is abnormal. Probably to roughly about the same extent as homosexuality, too. The same goes for left handedness. No doubt there are hundreds of other examples too. Many things are abnormal.

You're making an unsubstantiated assumption that is contradicted by available evidence and using it to rationalise itself. That's two logical errors, so your positon is clearly irrational.

Your assumption is that homosexuality is wrong, so children should be shielded from it (but not from heterosexuality, so you're not talking about shielding children from sexuality in general, which is clearly a different position).

Basically in P4 i was forced to learn knitting and sewing. I could not do it and thus she kept giving me homework to do knitting and picking out all the boys for detention. Yup this was the standard of my primary school before it was identifed as being one of the worst local schools around. When the knitting homework arrived, My ma knitted a full jumper and i brought it in and she flew off the lid and brought in my family and there was a massive row about why boys where spending hours learning to sew and knit. Shocking? I think so when it has nothing to do with an education. But she was a rampant feminist after all.
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I question why anyone would have to learn to sew and knit in school here and now. They were practical life skills in the past. They're not now. They're hobbies, so they should be something chosen.

The idea that hobbies must be utterly gendered is rubbish. It makes no sense at all. It's silly sexism, which is something I leave to feminists and other bigots.

I learnt to sew in primary school. I used it to make a stuffed duck figure for my mum. It was crappily made but she was happy with it because I'd made it for her. That was enough to give sewing a point.
 
Angilion said:
It makes sense when you consider that the word "normal" means "what usually happens".

So yes, heterosexuality is normal. Homosexuality, bisexuality and transexualism are abnormal. So is being over 6 feet tall or having red hair or being left handed and all sorts of other things.
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If you look at it in the sense that normal means something that's naturally occurring (which it does), then all of that is "normal".

The problem is that we're not really discussing normality in the proper sense of the word. We're talking about societal issues and how people operate.

Being completely blunt, gay people can functional "normally" in society even when society is against them. In general society it doesn't break social norms to deal and interact with someone that is gay, because it's a simple as them having a preference for their own sex, and they don't have to take drastic measures to operate as themselves (in a very broad sense).

Whereas transgenderism is a disorder in the truest sense of the word. There is disorder between the person's sex, and how they perceive themselves in society. Often quite drastic measures have to be taken for them to function in society comfortable (in themselves), and interactions between them and non-trans people will often break quite a few social norms.

Such as someone "born a man" who "feels that they are a woman" but at face value looks like an odd looking man due to the clothing choice and the use of make up.

I'm not saying this is the case for them all, as there's clearly a lot who are very convincing in their appearance. But it's unfortunately caused a subset of people who believe the whole of society needs to change to accommodate an extreme minority, else they are intolerant and abusive.

So in summary, I would say that being gay or transgender is "normal" in as much as it's a naturally occurring. But in a societal context being gay is normal, being transgender isn't because of how it upturns societal norms in the extreme way it does. Now before someone has a moan that gender is a social construct, yes it is and as such transgenderism should be too, if there wasn't so much importance placed on gender roles in society, I really don't think transgenderism would be the issue it currently for the people who suffer with it.
 
Update:

Conviction quashed on appeal.
The three appeal court judges, Lady Justice Hallett, Mr Justice King and Mr Justice Dove, found the original conviction to have been unsafe, with Hallett telling the court that the summing up by the trial judge, Roger Dutton, had not been properly fair and balanced.
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So the story isn't over.

I still don't think it should be a crime, but it seems the appeal was upheld on the basis of technicality of process rather than a question about the law applied.
 
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