This petition [will it change anything?]

[Cleisthenes]

This thread is cray cray

 

[Daze]

Lets face it. If you sign that petition you have racist agendas. Why else would you want stop thousands of women and children seeking refuge from the very thing that happens in France.

And no it does not make them not important just a insubstantial minority of people (racists).

Also what the **** would closing the boarders do? The majority of these attacks are carried out by radicalized nationals

There is always one that accuses others with a different opinion of being racist. I'm actually not even sure how you've came to that ridiculous conclusion Racism does not come into it, at all.

People in the UK are among the most accepting of minorities out of any country in the world. But there comes a time when they feel enough is enough. If stopping this mass migration until we can be sure of exactly who we're letting in prevents JUST ONE terrorist attack in the UK then that's a win in my book! Don't forget at least one of the terrorists involved in the Paris attacks on Friday was a "refugee"! We have been warned by ISIS that they will smuggle fighters in with the migrants - do you not take their warnings seriously?

People like you who lie backwards and accept everyone with no questions asked, even if some of them have questionable agendas, then criticise people from your own country for having a differing opinion, will literally be the downfall of everything great our ancestors fought for.

In the Paris Attacks thread someone posted a comment which struck a cord - he basically said if the UK were full of people like you during WW2 then Hitler would've crossed the channel without a bullet fired.

Start thinking more about your own country than others.

 

[Snookums]

I'm with Gilly on this one McGray. In no way is most of the forum racist. You have a very poor perception of majority if you believe so.

 

[davisdavid]

These people can't see past their own noses. In what way is closing our borders going to help anyone? I can guarantee you these are the same 400000 people that think its Islam to blame, in fact no these people are so stupid they probably don't even realize Islam is the religion Muslims follow. I honestly feel so sorry right now for the 1.6 billion Muslims in the world that are being segregated and shunned by the degenerates of western society. These people stereotype the largest group of people in the world by the smallest percentage, and they wonder why these extremists are so ****** at the west.

Accuse people of stereotyping by...... Stereotyping them. Congratualtions

I don't question your sympathy towards the Muslim population, I mean obviously they're queuing up to denounce their fundamentalist elements aren't they. Or am I wrong? I mean surely there isn't large sections quietly supporting the 'caliphate' or the extremism and campaign for Sharia law?

Once a group reaches a proportion of a countries population, they then become politically untouchable.

No politician wants to alienate any potential voters, even if 25% of that group are OK with violence to suit their deity.

UK muslims are untouchable, you could gather 60 million signatures and nothing would be said.

+1. Doesn't matter what people say or what people petition (even down right stupid ones like the one in the OP), Governments won't do a thing because they'd lose votes from what are no longer minorities.

 

[Cosimo]

Once a group reaches a proportion of a countries population, they then become politically untouchable.

No politician wants to alienate any potential voters, even if 25% of that group are OK with violence to suit their deity.

UK muslims are untouchable, you could gather 60 million signatures and nothing would be said.

The tail then wags to dog to establish its own agenda. So it continues...

 

[Snookums]

There is always one that accuses others with a different opinion of being racist. I'm actually not even sure how you've came to that ridiculous conclusion Racism does not come into it, at all.

People in the UK are among the most accepting of minorities out of any country in the world. But there comes a time when they feel enough is enough. If stopping this mass migration until we can be sure of exactly who we're letting in prevents JUST ONE terrorist attack in the UK then that's a win in my book! Don't forget at least one of the terrorists involved in the Paris attacks on Friday was a "refugee"! We have been warned by ISIS that they will smuggle fighters in with the migrants - do you not take their warnings seriously?

People like you who lie backwards and accept everyone with no questions asked, even if some of them have questionable agendas, then criticise people from your own country for having a differing opinion, will literally be the downfall of everything great our ancestors fought for.

In the Paris Attacks thread someone posted a comment which struck a cord - he basically said if the UK were full of people like you during WW2 then Hitler would've crossed the channel without a bullet fired.

Start thinking more about your own country than others.

You really thinking closing our borders is going to stop ISIS? Please explain, if these people are capable of organising mass murder, bombings and inflict terror on an entire planet, then you are very naive if you think closed borders is going to stop them getting into a country, not just ours.

 

[dl8860]

So you would rather see hundreds of Syrian babies killed every day so you don't have to see one walk down the street. Pathetic. What is there to consider?

I would rather several hundred Syrian babies die than any of my family. Does that make me racist? Or a bad person?

 

[bitslice]

So you would rather see hundreds of Syrian babies killed every day so you don't have to see one walk down the street. Pathetic. What is there to consider?

You seem confused
Syrian babies are dying right now trying to cross the med, because Merkel the Muslim can't see more than 30 seconds into the future.

The sensible approach is to house them just outside the Syrian border, where it is cheaper and more efficient to look after them.
No drowning in the med, no rape gangs, no exploitation by traffickers.
Or did you just not think about all that?


You must be one of those naive lib-lefties I blame for everything

Well done on trying to censor debate by calling everyone a racist, Corbyn must be proud of his little Dalek prototype


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[davisdavid]

I'm with Gilly on this one McGray. In no way is most of the forum racist. You have a very poor perception of majority if you believe so.

It makes no odds, I'm sure most people on the OcUK forums have been branded racist or xenophobic if commenting on immigration, terrorism etc. I have and have also used both terms before. Like my last reply to one of your comments, it can be seen as racist to some but it wasn't intended as such.

 

[Gilly]

I would rather several hundred Syrian babies die than any of my family. Does that make me racist? Or a bad person?

It makes you human.

What I wonder is whether you believe a random, unrelated Briton that you've never met and, for the purpose of this exercise, would never meet is more important than hundreds of Syrians?

It makes no odds, I'm sure most people on the OcUK forums have been branded racist or xenophobic if commenting on immigration, terrorism etc. I have and have also used both terms before. Like my last reply to one of your comments, it can be seen as racist to some but it wasn't intended as such.

What I don't understand from McGray is exactly what more than 50% of members here blame all muslims for.

 

[FloppyPoppy]

I would rather several hundred Syrian babies die than any of my family. Does that make me racist? Or a bad person?

Letting several hundred Syrian babies die would not stop any attack on our country with us letting them in. As i said most attacks are carried out by radicalized NATIONALS it could be someone on your street.

 

[dl8860]

It makes you human.

What I wonder is whether you believe a random, unrelated Briton that you've never met and, for the purpose of this exercise, would never meet is more important than hundreds of Syrians?



What I don't understand from McGray is exactly what more than 50% of members here blame all muslims for.

That is indeed more interesting, but the point I was demonstrating was that you can very easily have a non-racist reason to oppose unlimited immigration even at the cost of the lives of other innocent people.

 

[Daze]

You really thinking closing our borders is going to stop ISIS? Please explain, if these people are capable of organising mass murder, bombings and inflict terror on an entire planet, then you are very naive if you think closed borders is going to stop them getting into a country, not just ours.

But that's not the point! Letting in any refugees at this stage is more risk than enough. There is a higher potential of attacks being carried out if they let them in than if we don't, as we've been told ISIS will smuggle fighters in with the migrants - and we now know they have already been successful in doing so.

If we do stem the mass migration for the time being, and in say 10 years time the UK has faced 1 more mass terrorism event, but if we don't stem it and in 10 years time the UK has faced 2-3, then it's worth stopping it? Do you get my point?

There's no point gambling with UK Citizens lives. Their lives should be first priority. Not migrants.

 

[Snookums]

Accuse people of stereotyping by...... Stereotyping them. Congratualtions

I don't question your sympathy towards the Muslim population, I mean obviously they're queuing up to denounce their fundamentalist elements aren't they. Or am I wrong? I mean surely there isn't large sections quietly supporting the 'caliphate' or the extremism and campaign for Sharia law?

I'm not saying I'm not stereotyping, either way I'm not continuing in this anymore before someone gets really offended/banned.

 

[bloodiedathame]

I'm with Gilly on this one McGray. In no way is most of the forum racist. You have a very poor perception of majority if you believe so.

A bit like those who think all Muslims are terrorist sympathisers.

 

[Gilly]

That is indeed more interesting, but the point I was demonstrating was that you can very easily have a non-racist reason to oppose unlimited immigration even at the cost of the lives of other innocent people.

Oh, certainly. There are polar opposites here but they are opposites on a sliding scale, the vast majority of people will be somewhere in the middle. That middle being 'I don't want to endanger foreign nationals more than is absolutely necessary but wish to balance that with my own safety and that of my family'.

About right for you?

 

[bitslice]

Letting several hundred Syrian babies die would not stop any attack on our country with us letting them in. As i said most attacks are carried out by radicalized NATIONALS it could be someone on your street.

Calm down, nobody is suggesting we kill babies, Syrian or otherwise.

But moving the population of entire countries (tens of millions of people) is, well, stupid really...

 

[FortuitousFluke]

People in the UK are among the most accepting of minorities out of any country in the world. But there comes a time when they feel enough is enough. If stopping this mass migration until we can be sure of exactly who we're letting in prevents JUST ONE terrorist attack in the UK then that's a win in my book! Don't forget at least one of the terrorists involved in the Paris attacks on Friday was a "refugee"! We have been warned by ISIS that they will smuggle fighters in with the migrants - do you not take their warnings seriously?

Then they will have achieved precisely what they have set out to achieve. Sowing of fear and mistrust, a them and us mentality, and general hardening of the populaces perceptions of other cultures, in turn leading to an upswell in radicalisation.

 

[zoomee]

But does that mean the 400K are not important?

its seriously something they need to consider,look at what's happened in France...if your not concerned than i don't know what to say.

Some good having SAS and armed police on the street when a terrorist will just walk by like a regular person and blow himself up,What good is the SAS and armed police going to do then..its too bloody late.

dude you need a reality check - your more likely to be killed by a falling refrigerator than a terrorist attack here!: http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/01/08/3609796/islamist-terrorism-europe/

Stop buying into the media hype

These people can't see past their own noses. In what way is closing our borders going to help anyone? I can guarantee you these are the same 400000 people that think its Islam to blame, in fact no these people are so stupid they probably don't even realize Islam is the religion Muslims follow. I honestly feel so sorry right now for the 1.6 billion Muslims in the world that are being segregated and shunned by the degenerates of western society. These people stereotype the largest group of people in the world by the smallest percentage, and they wonder why these extremists are so ****** at the west.

+1

Most of OCUK blame all Muslims.

Wrong dude, defo wrong - There's only a handful who unfortunately shout the loudest (i.e. post more than others with their bigotted hatred) - In general I would say the OCuk crowd are quite tolerant and respectful to one another.

 

[Snookums]

But that's not the point! Letting in any refugees at this stage is more risk than enough. There is a higher potential of attacks being carried out if they let them in than if we don't, as we've been told ISIS will smuggle fighters in with the migrants - and we now know they have already been successful in doing so.

If we do stem the mass migration for the time being, and in say 10 years time the UK has faced 1 more mass terrorism event, but if we don't stem it and in 10 years time the UK has faced 2-3, then it's worth stopping it? Do you get my point?

There's no point gambling with UK Citizens lives. Their lives should be first priority. Not migrants.

We are all people on this planet, all life is equal. Why should we stop aiding others just to save our own skin? It's not fair to leave those exposed when we can easily shelter them.

You can't simple stop a terrorist by restricting passage to the country. They will find a way in/already have enough in to damage us already. Closing borders will not have any benefit for anyone.