Dare I ask?

I personally prefer my console (PS4) as it's easier to just kick back and play on my big tv and 5.1 surround sound. I'm also more of a casual gamer these days so console gaming suits me better. I still have a PC and definitely see the benefits of PC gaming, but don't miss the hassle of it. Each to their own.
 
mark145 said:
Thanks, that's good to bear in mind!

Would you suggest looking at older hardware? I understand I would be better with a 750ti to perhaps a current 950? Is that correct?

Also you have mentioned 2nd hand again, any routes you would suggest taking in looking for 'safe' items?
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Having looked at the 950 vs 750Ti, it does look like the 950 is quite a bit faster (based on Passmark) and only ~£20-30 more, here's a very quick spec I put together (using new kit) which should run new games comfortably at 1080p (possibly with some settings turned down on more demanding titles such as TW3):

My basket at Overclockers UK:

Total: £476.95
(includes shipping: £11.10)
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I'm sure someone a bit more knowledgeable will be along to improve on it though :p

It doesn't include a case as that's very much personal preference, but there are plenty starting at ~£25 and up; I believe all those components will fit in a mATX case.

Also no Windows licence - you'd be able to use one of your existing ones IF they are retail, but not legally if they're OEM

For 2nd hand stuff, unfortunately you don't have MM access on here, I guess eBay is probably "safest" purely based on the fact that if the parts turn up broken you have a good chance to get your money back.
 
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There is a certain Friday coming up soon you might want to keep a lookout for some deals.
I might upgrade to 4k if I find a good price to replace my Samsung 305T. Will be checking around when the time comes.
 
Haggisman said:
Having looked at the 950 vs 750Ti, it does look like the 950 is quite a bit faster (based on Passmark) and only ~£20-30 more, here's a very quick spec I put together (using new kit) which should run new games comfortably at 1080p (possibly with some settings turned down on more demanding titles such as TW3):

My basket at Overclockers UK:

Total: £476.95
(includes shipping: £11.10)
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I'm sure someone a bit more knowledgeable will be along to improve on it though :p

It doesn't include a case as that's very much personal preference, but there are plenty starting at ~£25 and up; I believe all those components will fit in a mATX case.

Also no Windows licence - you'd be able to use one of your existing ones IF they are retail, but not legally if they're OEM

For 2nd hand stuff, unfortunately you don't have MM access on here, I guess eBay is probably "safest" purely based on the fact that if the parts turn up broken you have a good chance to get your money back.
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Going from what you've posted above I've adapted this more to my needs, I think.

Would I be right in saying that spending maybe £80 extra on the processor upto the 3.50Ghz and on the card up to a 960 4gb would be worthwhile?

Also I guess if we're going by that Passmark site I would be worth going for the OCUK Value 780? Or is this old tech that I'll be frustrated with in the near future?

And I understand about the turning up broken scenario but will those parts last ? Or will they likely burn out or am I being stupid? :confused:

My basket at Overclockers UK:

Total: £804.18
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I don't know if the processor upgrade would be worth it purely for gaming tbh, I currently have an i5-2500 (non-k) which is pretty old, and ranks lower than the 4460 on passmark.

My GTX970 is still the bottleneck in my system, so if you're going for a lower card then that's going to be the case even more

Might be worth waiting for an expert to confirm this though!

So... with that in mind, if you're considering the 780 (and so happy to spend £240 on the card), then IMO you'd be better spending an extra £10 on a 970 which is a little faster and newer.

Also, as kthula666 has mentioned, it's probably worth holding out till next Friday for maybe some good deals ;)
 
Oh so the processor isn't a huge bottleneck? And should last a couple of years?

Now I am confused! Does the memory not make a huge difference on graphics card or should I be looking at clock speed?
 
I'd go console, most PC games nowadays are console ports and they don't seem to get the polish that the console versions do. Plus you don't have to use multiple different gaming clients (Steam, Origin, UPlay etc). Just go into the graphics card forum to see how PC gaming is these days, rarely a days goes by without people (AMD users in particular) crying about something.
 
mark145 said:
Oh so the processor isn't a huge bottleneck? And should last a couple of years?

Now I am confused! Does the memory not make a huge difference on graphics card or should I be looking at clock speed?
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Ahh, I didn't notice that 780 has 6GB! I'm afraid I'll have to bow out to someone more knowledgeable as to which would be the better purchase out of those 2 cards then! Might be worth asking in the graphics forum
 
Haggisman said:
Ahh, I didn't notice that 780 has 6GB! I'm afraid I'll have to bow out to someone more knowledgeable as to which would be the better purchase out of those 2 cards then! Might be worth asking in the graphics forum
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6GB or vram is only helpful if you have a multi monitor setup, or you're trying to game a 4K or whatever. 3GB is actually enough at the moment for most people.
 
Sliver said:
6GB or vram is only helpful if you have a multi monitor setup, or you're trying to game a 4K or whatever. 3GB is actually enough at the moment for most people.
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Oh god, I am really not as clued up as I had thought :(

Maybe a console would be the better choice for me...

AshD93 said:
Poo through the CD Drive.

Wait what, a serious GD thread?!
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Now there's the response I was expecting :p:D
 
OP mentioned wanting to play at 1080p. You can't guarantee that with a console, not even at 30fps.

Having said that, current consoles are OK. Even a low midrange PC will be far more powerful, but consoles have less overheads and most games are optimised for them while the PC is left running a version optimised for console instead and brute forcing performance from it. So the difference isn't as much as it could be. If you're going to be gaming on a TV and you're OK with being limited to a controller and you already have a general purpose computer for everything else, a console would do well enough for you.

I'd still get a PC, though. You can use a PC as a console. You can't use a console as a PC. You can play games at 1080p and 60FPS on a PC, even a low midrange one. You can't do that on a console. If you want a convenient gaming client with autoupdating, i.e. like a console, you can use Steam or Galaxy (or both). You can buy PC games from as little as £1 (I'm not joking about that). The idea that gaming on a PC involves a lot of time and knowledge just to get games working at all is rather exaggerated. In the past you might have needed to edit config files and write batch files to unload stuff in order to free up enough memory to run a game, but those days are long gone. It's almost entirely download, install and play nowadays.
 
If you only want to spend £4-500 then i would strongly lean towards a console.

PC gaming shines when you do the whole master race thing but that needs money. The differences between a £400 PC and a console are not that noticeable (unless you grab some real bargains(second hand or deals) and have a copy of windows you don't have to pay for).

I also tend to enjoy RPG type games more when i sit and relax on a couch, while i loved Witcher 3 playing it sat at my desk really took away from my enjoyment (that said i don't have a nice desk right now due to being away from home).

Which console? i really don't think it matters too much though of the 2 right now i prefer the exclusive games on the Xbox One even if the PS4 is marginally more powerful. If i really care about looks then i can pull the master race card and go and play in my office.

The people saying no backward compatibility for consoles are incorrect Xbox one has just released an update the gives around 100 360 games that can play now with more to come, PS4 has its streaming services for older games if that floats your boat.
 
Last thing I would be wanting to do when playing a game that has 100+ hours of content is to do it sitting in front of a computer screen regardless how shiney the graphics are.
 
adam cool dude said:
Last thing I would be wanting to do when playing a game that has 100+ hours of content is to do it sitting in front of a computer screen regardless how shiney the graphics are.
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Millions of WoW players would disagree with you there ;)

Besides, you do realise you can plug a pad into a PC and play from your sofa?

One of the benefits of a PC is that it gives you the choice - you can sit in front of a desk and play with M&KB if you want to, a console doesn't give you that option.
 
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Xbox one also had a lot of hardware problems I read. The ring of death... some people sent their Xbox back and it came back broken after 3 months. Then you have month subscription costs, which thankfully has not made its way to pc yet.
 
anything I don't mind said:
Xbox one also had a lot of hardware problems I read. The ring of death... some people sent their Xbox back and it came back broken after 3 months. Then you have month subscription costs, which thankfully has not made its way to pc yet.
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None of that is correct,

Ring of death was the 360 not the Xbox One,
Microsoft support is very good if you do have a hardware issue (so is sonys actually)
There is no monthly sub for offline games like Fallout, however both subscriptions are not bad deals as they include free games and can be had for less than £40 a year.
 
Haggisman said:
Millions of WoW players would disagree with you there ;)

Besides, you do realise you can plug a pad into a PC and play from your sofa?

One of the benefits of a PC is that it gives you the choice - you can sit in front of a desk and play with M&KB if you want to, a console doesn't give you that option.
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Guess it depends where your PC and TV are located, mine are in different rooms (which I imagine is the case with most people) so it's a pain to hook it up.
 
House said:
None of that is correct,

Ring of death was the 360 not the Xbox One,
Microsoft support is very good if you do have a hardware issue (so is sonys actually)
There is no monthly sub for offline games like Fallout, however both subscriptions are not bad deals as they include free games and can be had for less than £40 a year.
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It is all correct except getting the models mixed up. but seeing as there is hardly any difference between the models it doesn't matter that much.

At least we know the whole "it just works" is complete and utter non sense.
 
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