ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

Hitman_Leon · 19 Nov 2015 at 18:43

I surmise that if a part failed state like Syria bordered China and ISIS were giving China friction, China would steamroller the country no quarter given. Human rights? just a spike in China's yearly executions.

It's not entirely right, but sometimes I think it would take a monster like China and it's dubious regard for human rights to smash ISIS's main body and quell them, at least for a while.

Woden · 19 Nov 2015 at 18:49

Hitman_Leon said:
I surmise that if a part failed state like Syria bordered China and ISIS were giving China friction, China would steamroller the country no quarter given. Human rights? just a spike in China's yearly executions.

It's not entirely right, but sometimes I think it would take a monster like China and it's dubious regard for human rights to smash ISIS's main body and quell them, at least for a while.

This could be the best option. ISIS is dealt with and we get to "strenuously object" to China's actions.

NickK · 19 Nov 2015 at 18:51

I see BBC are now stating that guns were bought on the black market in Belgium. Question is - do you treat those that passed on the guns as collaborators and extremists?

I know it's almost impossible to trace guns on the black market, but if caught..

NickK · 19 Nov 2015 at 18:52

Woden said:
This could be the best option. ISIS is dealt with and we get to "strenuously object" to China's actions.

Question is - would Russia appear weak internally compared to China?

jl10000 · 19 Nov 2015 at 19:08

Curio said:
Keeping their track record in mind, I would rather be 100% sure. Let's just say it would be even more ignorant to take Iraq at its word than the West.

Not that I agree with how the war / post-war was handled of course...

In hindsight, Its clear that both sides were disingenuous. The political outcome may have been totally different if Blix had been allowed to complete the mission. Was anything ever found? If you listen to the background noise about the Iraq war and why it happened, WMD's are rarely mentioned.

Worked out good for Blair though, its hard to hear the haters from behind double glazed limousine windows.

NexusK · 19 Nov 2015 at 19:19

NickK said:
As I said.. don't try when you know you're outclassed

You aren't getting it. Their sole purpose is to bring about WW3 and the end of the world. If they could pull N Korea into this they would without even blinking.

Chojin · 19 Nov 2015 at 20:40

China wouldn't do anything, they would most likely welcome the cheap oil that ISIS offered them.

physichull · 19 Nov 2015 at 20:51

The perennial abstainers; fence sitters.

Johno please? · 19 Nov 2015 at 21:14

Curio said:
But they had to dress it up with rubbish like "links to AQ" to try and sell it. We had the legal justification for such action - we didn't need the BS.

Just fyi.

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was there before any intervention, someone like that doesnt get in the country without saddam knowing.

NickK · 19 Nov 2015 at 21:49

NexusK said:
You aren't getting it. Their sole purpose is to bring about WW3 and the end of the world. If they could pull N Korea into this they would without even blinking.

End goal: ISIS's sole purpose is to have the worldwide population follow their Calepeh. I can see your point that their religious leaders would simply state "better in the next life" and attempt to bring WW3 in a defeat game.

NK's goal is to prevent any form of information impacting rule. So if a bomb exploded there then NK would simply blame random people, round up any survivors + any people they don't like, shoot them. Internal PR would be Leader saves country and defeats ISIS. Externally they'd not bother stating there's no ISIS. It's highly unlikely they're going to engage in Syria using their own forces.

NickK · 19 Nov 2015 at 21:51

physichull said:
The perennial abstainers; fence sitters.

A statement.

setter · 20 Nov 2015 at 00:14

Hitman_Leon said:
I surmise that if a part failed state like Syria bordered China and ISIS were giving China friction, China would steamroller the country no quarter given. Human rights? just a spike in China's yearly executions.

It's not entirely right, but sometimes I think it would take a monster like China and it's dubious regard for human rights to smash ISIS's main body and quell them, at least for a while.

Yep, a country that would probably go no holds barred on an enemy. And something I admire about china despite their very poor record on human rights. Unlike the old user, china has never tried tried to export communism.

Strife212 · 20 Nov 2015 at 01:43

Russian Strategic Bombers fighting in Syria

Tu-95 "Bear" launching cruise missile

Tu-160 "Backfire" launching cruise missile

Tu-22s "Blackjacks" carpet bombing

Did they think their bomb would make the Russians go home?

Mynight · 20 Nov 2015 at 01:52

Apparantly they're busy trying to acquire some red Mercury

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http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/11/22/magazine/the-doomsday-scam.html?

arknor · 20 Nov 2015 at 06:53

Strife212 said:
Did they think their bomb would make the Russians go home?

lol russias been bombing 100+ targets a day for days now

funny how america and the uk etc can't find all these oil tankers yet russia are finding literally hundreds of them parked in the desert right???

Cosimo · 20 Nov 2015 at 07:19

Strife212 said:
Russian Strategic Bombers fighting in Syria

Did they think their bomb would make the Russians go home?

Bet they didn't expect them to turn their lands into a sandy theme park.

Johno please? · 20 Nov 2015 at 08:46

arknor said:
funny how america and the uk etc can't find all these oil tankers yet russia are finding literally hundreds of them parked in the desert right???

Whats that?

https://www.funker530.com/a-10-warthogs-and-ac-130-kill-frenzy-116-isis-trucks-destroyed/

Freakbro · 20 Nov 2015 at 08:50

Johno please? said:
Whats that?

https://www.funker530.com/a-10-warthogs-and-ac-130-kill-frenzy-116-isis-trucks-destroyed/

Well, it only happened 5 days ago and even says in the article

Even after dealing this blow to the ISIS bank roll, the U.S. is drawing criticism for not targeting the Islamic State oil trade sooner.

So they weren't doing.

Also, just to show how ****ed up this world really is, ISIS aren't just destroying these ancient sites we hear about, they are ransacking and looting them first for all the antiquities and selling them on the black market.

And who is the biggest purchaser of these stolen artifacts? Amercia...who through this are directly funding ISIS with an estimated $100 million a year.....you couldn't make this **** up.... :mad:

SciNeT · 20 Nov 2015 at 09:06

Strife212 said:
Did they think their bomb would make the Russians go home?

If anything it's prompting the people of Russia to call for unification with Europe to fight the common enemy.

Rofflay · 20 Nov 2015 at 09:59

Lads 170 hostages taken in Mali according to the BBC. Looks like Islamists hit a hotel.

Gunmen have launched an attack on the Radisson Blu Hotel in the centre of Mali's capital, Bamako. Two people have locked in 140 guests and 30 employees in "a hostage-taking situation", the hotel's owners said in a statement. Police have surrounded the hotel, which the gunmen entered shooting, and shouting "God is great!" in Arabic, a security source told Reuters.