ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

Evangelion said:
Who's buying oil from ISIS? Surprise: it's Assad! :D
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Interesting.

Russia point a finger at Turkey for financing ISIS
America point a finger at Assad for financing ISIS

So they're working together to publicly identify the backers but remaining friends - i.e. US allows russia to point a finger at Turkey and Russia allows the US to point a finger at Assad. Allows face to be saved and the respective allied countries to public apply pressure and retract support with a valid reason.

Nice.

It then looks good for them both as they're both attempting to crush the financing of ISIS without resorting to sub-terrainian bombing but simply applying financial pressure by destroying hardware from the skies.. tanker by tanker, truck by truck, arms cache by arms cache.

Money = force.

21st century war is simply down to economic war rather than killing as many as possible. Barnes Wallace - attack the factories rather than the tanks they produce, attack the power and infrastructure rather than the factories.. at the root of it is the capacity to fight based on manufacturing or purchasing of weapons.. in Syria's case and the fighting groups that the purchasing of weapons QED - strangle them economically.
 
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Espionage is a strange term. Not lying, not perjury, but espionage. Reporting on what they have seen that they shouldn't have, rather than saying they have seen something they haven't.

'Yes, we are sending weapons to Syria but you shouldn't be telling people that?!?!'
 
Hi all.

I read a very interesting post from someone who lives in belgium and use to grew up and know people who live in Molenbeek.

Basically as a whole, it appears both france and Belguim discriminate against Muslim people as a whole from an early age by putting them in average schools dispite a few being smart enough to enrol on a top end school, to not getting any jobs due to being muslims etc.

If this is true then the issue lies deeper then ISIS etc. Things need to change from the ground up so to speak.

Imagine your a 21 year old muslim living in Belgum and very bright person but cant land a job due to your religous beliefs and all hopes loss?

Up comes someone from ISIS who brainwashes u and converts you.

its not hard to imagine that being true.

Basically if true, we need to tackle terrorism in more ways then another!
 
Gilly said:
Espionage is a strange term. Not lying, not perjury, but espionage. Reporting on what they have seen that they shouldn't have, rather than saying they have seen something they haven't.

'Yes, we are sending weapons to Syria but you shouldn't be telling people that?!?!'
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If it's the convoy that was blown up then it makes a bit more sense, well the treason part anyway.
 
jonneymendoza said:
Hi all.

I read a very interesting post from someone who lives in belgium and use to grew up and know people who live in Molenbeek.

Basically as a whole, it appears both france and Belguim discriminate against Muslim people as a whole from an early age by putting them in average schools dispite a few being smart enough to enrol on a top end school, to not getting any jobs due to being muslims etc.

If this is true then the issue lies deeper then ISIS etc. Things need to change from the ground up so to speak.

Imagine your a 21 year old muslim living in Belgum and very bright person but cant land a job due to your religous beliefs and all hopes loss?

Up comes someone from ISIS who brainwashes u and converts you.

its not hard to imagine that being true.

Basically if true, we need to tackle terrorism in more ways then another!
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Hmm from a french perspective.

1. The French are bound by the commonality of the french way of life. To be french you have to act like it, speak the language and abide by the french statement. They are a process and rules culture.
2. Their view point is that there is a large number of immigrants that don't even speak french or attempt to be french .. which is unacceptable to french.
3. The french live knowing that the state does not represent any religious system, thus they expect this and for religion to attempt to break this rule .. causes further issues.
 
It's not discrimination in their eyes to judge someone on their choice to not identify as Belgian or French.

The people you may be speaking of may identify first as their religion, and secondly as their nationality. Do you have any frame of reference or context at all? Without that it's really an interesting soundbite with no real meat to it. Would it be true if you had a zealot of another religion?
 
NickK said:
Hmm from a french perspective.

1. The French are bound by the commonality of the french way of life. To be french you have to act like it, speak the language and abide by the french statement. They are a process and rules culture.
2. Their view point is that there is a large number of immigrants that don't even speak french or attempt to be french .. which is unacceptable to french.
3. The french live knowing that the state does not represent any religious system, thus they expect this and for religion to attempt to break this rule .. causes further issues.
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What do you mean by act like french?

Speaking the language is fine but act like a french? what does that mean? surely you can act as an invidual person regardless?

what am i missing?
 
Gilly said:
It's not discrimination in their eyes to judge someone on their choice to not identify as Belgian or French.

The people you may be speaking of may identify first as their religion, and secondly as their nationality. Do you have any frame of reference or context at all? Without that it's really an interesting soundbite with no real meat to it. Would it be true if you had a zealot of another religion?
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Again this is from someone who lives in belguim and has muslim friends etc.

Whether its true or not remains to be seen. Maybe some stats poll could help in seeing what the religous/ethnic ratio is in various work companies in belguim/france.
 
jonneymendoza said:
What do you mean by act like french?

Speaking the language is fine but act like a french? what does that mean? surely you can act as an invidual person regardless?

what am i missing?
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Sure. It is defined as part of the french constitution - available on the french government website. I've linked to their earlier in the thread.

As an individual you agree to uphold and adopt that when you take french citizenship.
 
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jonneymendoza said:
Again this is from someone who lives in belguim and has muslim friends etc.

Whether its true or not remains to be seen. Maybe some stats poll could help in seeing what the religous/ethnic ratio is in various work companies in belguim/france.
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Perhaps you could share some stats poll, and your thoughts on what they would tell us.
 
Gilly said:
It's not discrimination in their eyes to judge someone on their choice to not identify as Belgian or French.

The people you may be speaking of may identify first as their religion, and secondly as their nationality.
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Precisely.

There french state is defined as state first. There is no recognition of any religion as part of state. French see your religion is your own personal thing.
 
Has DC answered how some rusty GR4s and whatnot are going to suddenly make an impact considering France, American and Russia (who I presume have at least an equal if not vastly superior number of bombers at hand) haven't found a solution after at least a year of bombings?
 
xibinim said:
Has DC answered how some rusty GR4s and whatnot are going to suddenly make an impact considering France, American and Russia (who I presume have at least an equal if not vastly superior number of bombers at hand) haven't found a solution after at least a year of bombings?
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BBC said:
The RAF's equipment is well-suited to so-called dynamic targeting - i.e. where an aircraft overflies a selected area, locating targets for itself and then engaging them.

This particular "niche" capability is one that even the Americans don't have and combined with the Raptor pod, which is responsible for some 60% of the tactical intelligence gained over Iraq, it is a useful additional tool to have in the airpower toolkit.
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Not sure how accurate that is as I don't know much about military aircraft but there you go :)

Source - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34930502
 
xibinim said:
Has DC answered how some rusty GR4s and whatnot are going to suddenly make an impact considering France, American and Russia (who I presume have at least an equal if not vastly superior number of bombers at hand) haven't found a solution after at least a year of bombings?
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The RAF have outsourced their bombing of Syria to the Chinese.

Very cost effective and equivalent tech tier to the aging fleet that Crab Air can muster on a goid day.
 
Terminal_Boy said:
The RAF have outsourced their bombing of Syria to the Chinese.

Very cost effective and equivalent tech tier to the aging fleet that Crab Air can muster on a goid day.
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My goodness you talk some gumpf. Let me guess, REME? RLC? An ex front line hero who shot his bang bang stick once? It is the usual guff I hear from the lower echelons of the disenfranchised types.
 
xibinim said:
Has DC answered how some rusty GR4s and whatnot are going to suddenly make an impact considering France, American and Russia (who I presume have at least an equal if not vastly superior number of bombers at hand) haven't found a solution after at least a year of bombings?
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They seem to be quite effective in Iraq so far, given the proportion of work done within the coalition.
 
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