Must admit that part always confused me.
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Must admit that part always confused me.
The founder of the Laskar Jihad was a follower of Wahhabism and that is an ideology that has nothing to do with Indonesia and its people, just like it has nothing to do with the French, the Americans or any other nation that suffered terrorist attacks.
You found an article in which FoxNews is decrying a war on Christians? Why didn't you just link to the home page?
Yes I am and we should ban all Arabic languages and not allow anyone to teach them to children. Most terrorists yell Allahu Akbar before they blow themselves up. We should also ban Arabic numerals and switch back to the Roman ones, just in case. If that sounds ridiculous, think about it for a second and apply the same reasoning to the view on Islam.
You can apply the same logic to Hindu or Christianity, shall I provide examples of people doing horrific acts in the name of a god?
IS is a political organisation that sometimes uses certain parts of Islam to further its goals. If you pick and choose you can use any major religion to justify any ideology. In fact, Breivik killed dozens of Danish, mostly Christian, teens and justified it by claiming he is a Crusader, a defender of Christianity.
No **** it sounds ridiculous but very few people are calling for that. It's also on the complete opposite side that you're representing.
I'm unsure what you're trying to prove here.
And FYI that prat Breivik identified as an Odinist not a Christian. Well saying that he said an awful lot of things.
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Moderate? extremist? The former is just as dumb as the latter. Koran/bible/Torah etc is no different from a Harry potter book just with a unoriginal plot and unconvincing characters; 2/10 would not read again.
I don't think its that important what ideology they choose to give the movement some meaning and help bring other fools into the gang. Though it is a little embarrassing for the 'West' when people leave to join ISIS, we seem to have lost our way.
I don't think its that important what ideology they choose to give the movement some meaning and help bring other fools into the gang. Though it is a little embarrassing for the 'West' when people leave to join ISIS, we seem to have lost our way.
Some people call for bans, others want to 'send em bak' and many complain about Islam because they see it as a source of terrorism. They are all wrong. Muslims who study their religion, who understand it and follow its teachings are extremely unlikely to end up blowing themselves up. That's done by people with very limited knowledge of Islam, with usually a troubled backround and not much to live for.
Ignorance, rather than religious teachings and hopelessness, rather than religious fervor, cause extremism.
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Yea but there isn't one of those almost every week is there? A quick look at my news feed on Facebook, oh look 21 people killed in Nigeria and by who? Do I even need to say it.....
Mohammed being the most popular names by far, And what else? You know that you get 100 lashes for cursing God but try cursing Mohammed and you get death. Mohammed worship is idoltory he even said himself not to do to him what the Christians did to Jesus lol...
Actually seeking knowledge is one of the fundamentals taught to you as a kid studying anything Islam. It's the other children that need to learn about Islam otherwise they just get the BS they and their parents see on TV
Don't forget fake narratives given to them by outside influences to fulfill political goals.
Who knows about airstrikes, it's all gone mad, more potential for conflict with other nations who are also fighting against Syrian groups though, I guess politically it's partly, 'keeping up with the Joneses'. How many sorties can you actually have in one day.
Short of full on invading the country and sorting out the wheat from the chaff afterwards i don't see how airstrikes are going to help much, even then what we've learned from Iraq and Afghanistan tells us it'll still be a cess pool anyway. It's not even as though it's just syria vs IS there is syria vs their own people vs IS.
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I'm the same. There is definitely no easy solution.
Too many different factions.
Even if you had boots on the ground, the factions can just mingle into the crowd whenever necessary.
All air strikes can ever do is weaken ISIS and hopefully give the Iraqi Army a hand in Iraq and well Syria is ****ed regardless now, can now see it being the new Somalia.
We certainly shouldn't be putting boots on the ground that's for sure.
We certainly shouldn't be putting boots on the ground that's for sure.
Well it looks like soon the conflict will reach N.I. Just reading this morning about a planned anti-refugee march by Loyalists in Belfast as the first Syrians are due to arrive in Belfast and Londonderry to put strain on our resources. What nearly gave me a stomach ulcer though was the planned republican anti fascist march who will counter protest. Same old crap how can you oppose immigration or Islam when you have left-wing idiots who cannot even comprehend what fascism is holding derp marches and welcoming them in.
Utter idiots the left boggle my mind are these people mentally damaged or something? Do they not understand we cannot take in everyone else everytime there is a war we just further put the boot into ourselves? We have no money in N.I we are a basket case yet being forced to take more Syrians on Welfare who speak no English.
As i said, R.I.P Europe the slow death is imminent because there is no cohesion to stop them. Even if Syria ends they will just create a new war as an excuse to flood Europe. I am calling it now Lebanon in 2018/2019.
Utter idiots the left boggle my mind are these people mentally damaged or something? Do they not understand we cannot take in everyone else everytime there is a war we just further put the boot into ourselves? We have no money in N.I we are a basket case yet being forced to take more Syrians on Welfare who speak no English.
As i said, R.I.P Europe the slow death is imminent because there is no cohesion to stop them. Even if Syria ends they will just create a new war as an excuse to flood Europe. I am calling it now Lebanon in 2018/2019.
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This approach is just as unhelpful as the "Islam is entirely to blame" approach. The problem is most definitely routed in Islamist ideology which has its roots in Islam. Denying the link is burying your head in the sand and reduces the strength of your argument as even a cursory glance at the problem can see links to Islam.
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Yea those types of people have no idea, not one iota of what its like to live even a day under fascism.
Ignoring the situation, saying "it isnt our fight" as ive heard people say, isnt going to make ISIS go away.
People like ken livingstone boil my blood, he basically says "dont bomb a terrorist group because it will make them mad and they will attack us"