One of the things that many people don't seem to realise - a lot of the problems in i.e. Syria is due to mass exoduses from other areas of the middle east and the problems there - hence Syria then boiled over... opening the floodgates to Europe is just going to import those problems. Again I don't know if the German government is extremely naive and stupid or playing a very dangerous calculated game (neither option is inspiring).
ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.
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One of the things that many people don't seem to realise - a lot of the problems in i.e. Syria is due to mass exoduses from other areas of the middle east and the problems there - hence Syria then boiled over... opening the floodgates to Europe is just going to import those problems. Again I don't know if the German government is extremely naive and stupid or playing a very dangerous calculated game (neither option is inspiring).
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You know literally nothing, close down the infowars and globalreasearch websites and start with a book called "republic of fear" by kanan makiya
It might open your mind a bit.
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Bombing who?
We are bombing them in iraq, how many sorties do we fly wla week? If we wanted to we could have stopped isis dead there years ago.
but we find it more sporting to drop a bomb or two every so often and encourage the local army to do the rest.
political reconciliation isn't with isis but with the 4 or 5 warring factions in Syria. If we weren't backing them and the other anti assad regimes and assad wasn't fighting western backed rebels then isis would be defeated much quicker.
If we stopped suppor fpr the rebels it would end the conflict faster than randomly dropping the odd bomb on a few isis members.
Both Russia and US and more have been bombing Syria for years now, ISIS has only grown.
What makes those that think the UK joining the bombing will somehow make any difference? Is the past couple of years not evidence enough that this will do nothing other than fuel their cause?
What makes those that think the UK joining the bombing will somehow make any difference? Is the past couple of years not evidence enough that this will do nothing other than fuel their cause?
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Stay out of it. Only target individuals plotting against the UK. Rampage bombing hasn't helped.
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You know the drill, do as they have advised otherwise people will confuse who posted what and the thread could descend into arguments, thanks
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...e-Juncker.html
This EU was laughable, its becoming dangerous, rapidly. I mean sometimes i wonder if they are completely incompetent or plain stupid beyond belief
This EU was laughable, its becoming dangerous, rapidly. I mean sometimes i wonder if they are completely incompetent or plain stupid beyond belief
We need to beef up security in the UK for sure,I'm all for that, including borders, we also need to sort out radicalisation in the UK. I am not sure adding fuel to the fire is going to do us any good, I'm still in two minds, although we need to nip them I the bud
If we did go through with it, it will be more mess, they will still be around and then they will be even more likely to target us
If we did go through with it, it will be more mess, they will still be around and then they will be even more likely to target us
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we arent fueling them at all i dont think you understand what they're end goals are...this is nothing to do with previus wars or bombings.
suppose you're happy with mass murders of children, atheists, jews,christians, homosexuals...basically anybody who doesnt follow they're sick twisted version of islam which is sunni wahabbism.
they're end goal is a global caliphate...this is not far right propoganda they flaunt it everwhere.
the fact that all these western nations are bombing them and they are still gaining ground should alarm not give the opposite reaction.
russia are actually making progress in the short time they have been involved.
god knows what the yanks have been doing.
too proud to do a u turn and admit they were wrong funding anyone that isn't part of the syrian goverment.
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Everyone here knows he's an apologist for islamic fundamentalists so youre wasting your time, you can tell hes muslim as he bangs on about Israel in every other thread.
I wonder if they did have banking if we could confiscate it. Would be a nice boost to the economy as well as shafting them in the process.
You mean our allies Saudi?
Everyone has a right to exist.
Everyone has a right to their own individual beliefs where they are not impacted by others (fellow believers or not).
If someone decides they cannot abide by those two rules, attempts to force their own rule then of course people will be pressured (by the fact they're attacked) to defend themselves.
The difference here is goal.
Goal - defence
vs
Goal - worldwide domination
You can bow down to people if you wish. However I (and others) have the right not to. US, Russia and the EU obviously have a majority of individuals that feel the same hence each state supporting action to uphold the those two rights.
On top of that is all the politics.
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yes, still think we should not bomb
from what i've seen daesh are setup in iraq too and we are already bombing there. keep bombing them there and cut supply routes . make it a concentrated effort and the rest of the countries can bomb syria.
it's a complete mess as it is. now russia and turkey are at each others throats
Playing devil's advocate here but do we need to get involved? Is this our war? We've already done enough by supplying arms to the "rebels". France and Russia are already bombing the hell out of the place. And objectively has bombing ever achieved anything?
We have enough problems at home:
This is floating around so I can't verify it's accuracy.
We have enough problems at home:
This is floating around so I can't verify it's accuracy.
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Simple question - why did our 'leaders' waffle on about WMD's.......... when there were non ?
I mean really, answer me that, not an insult, not digging at any individual on this forum, but how come no one is answer the following facts:
1) They said there were WMD's as an excuse to start a war - there were non.
2) All control of Eastern oil in wartorn areas is in the hands of western companies.
Any points on this?
Also a little unrelated but proves the west is capable of stupid thinking (to help paint the picture of the west government's in general) here are various 'conspiracy theories' which were in fact TRUE, in particular pay attention to the one where the USA started the Vietnam war based on the Vietnamese apparently attacking the USA.......but this was proven to be untrue, does this not all sound familiar ?
Genuine question again, if you apply the smallest amount of abstract thinking you can see how such behaviour is transferable to modern situations........ i.e. coming up with excuses for war.
Link because youtube tags NEVER work on this forum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58mhPaUL3Uc
PS: NO im not sighting a youtube video as 'hard evidence' they site in the video their sources, its just a handy summery someone did
How you think I know 'literally nothing' is well.............give me some reasons pal ......... when all this charade is played out directly on the world stage and is so laughably transparent, am I really the one who cannot see the world for how it is ?