ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.
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The Iraq War was pointless and everything he said was true.
This is completely different.
We are already at war. They are slaughtering countless people every day in Syria.They want to kill us.
BECAUSE WE KILL THEM!! To a degree that is barely even comparable.
Are you that blind?
This speech is so relevant to this today, as it was then. You can't bomb an ideology.
BECAUSE WE KILL THEM!! To a degree that is barely even comparable.
Are you that blind?
This speech is so relevant to this today, as it was then. You can't bomb an ideology.
What an utterly idiotic statement.
We've never been able to bomb an ideology however wars have pushed those ideology to such fringes there's little to worry about.
Nazism was an ideology, so ww2 was pointless was it?
Stupid statement is stupid. We aren't bombing an ideology, were bombing them, infrastructure and resources. Is is exciting, killing and rapping for more than any collateral damage we do.
nd no they don't want us dead because we bomb them, they wont us dead as we are infields and deserve to die regardless, same as the poor locals they are executing on genocide levels.
Nazism was an ideology spread by very few and believed by even less. Considering the amount of German troops who surrendered shows how little people believed in that ideology.
So it wasn't bombing the ideology, it was killing the heads.
Which results in another generation of children growing up watching British bombers fly over and kill their family, their friends and their neighbours.
What a ridiculous comment. We've been bombing them for over 20 years and you seriously think this has NOTHING to do with it? And its all about us being infidels?
Go back to your space thread.
We are not bombing an ideology,every single war is over ideology's yet they've all worked.
No it has very little to do with us. Their ideology is quite clear.
And you think small numbers of collateral damage will make them hate us more than they hate IS, who are executing the locals on mass, raping on mass, forced extortion and everything in-between.
So yes idiotic post by you, which absolutely fails at any logic.
No it has very little to do with us. Their ideology is quite clear.
And you think small numbers of collateral damage will make them hate us more than they hate IS, who are executing the locals on mass, raping on mass, forced extortion and everything in-between.
So yes idiotic post by you, which absolutely fails at any logic.
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"Back in March this year, the Washington DC-based Physicians for Social Responsibility (PRS) released a landmark study concluding that the death toll from 10 years of the "War on Terror" since the 9/11 attacks is at least 1.3 million, and could be as high as 2 million. But still, the reality is much worse as the report concludes.
The 97-page report by the Nobel Peace Prize-winning doctors' group is the first to tally up the total number of civilian casualties from US-UK led interventions in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan."
"This means that in Iraq alone, the US-UK led war from 1991 to 2003 killed 1.9 million Iraqis; then from 2003 onwards around 1 million: totalling just under 3 million Iraqis dead over two decades."
Collateral right?
Hmmm.....
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Total civilians killed, including those from the other side and ever side. Most of which wont be directly from uk-us but instead the instability that have let such groups as IS flourish and kill, most of them time dwarfing any of our numbers.
So no I dint think the locals who see there women be it friends, wives or mothers raped, and the women see lots of their men executed, supporting IS and joining them due to a few collateral deaths against the UK.
Will they like is, no. That however does not in anyway mean they join IS ir similar.
You appear to think that the area controlled by IS has large support for them, this isn't the case they rule by fear.
You have no argument as you clearly haven't thought about it.
And you can not even use that reason for thousands of fighters from other countries, who grew up over here and other countries and haven't seen or experienced any of them.
Such groups need sad desperate people, who want power, that is how they recruit. A life out of boring normality and into a position of power. Not collateral damage, for the most part as it dwarfs into comparison compared to what they do to these people.
So no I dint think the locals who see there women be it friends, wives or mothers raped, and the women see lots of their men executed, supporting IS and joining them due to a few collateral deaths against the UK.
Will they like is, no. That however does not in anyway mean they join IS ir similar.
You appear to think that the area controlled by IS has large support for them, this isn't the case they rule by fear.
You have no argument as you clearly haven't thought about it.
And you can not even use that reason for thousands of fighters from other countries, who grew up over here and other countries and haven't seen or experienced any of them.
Such groups need sad desperate people, who want power, that is how they recruit. A life out of boring normality and into a position of power. Not collateral damage, for the most part as it dwarfs into comparison compared to what they do to these people.
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And you clearly have no idea what your talking about. I may as well go and talk to a 5 year old about this.
As i said before, go back to your space thread.
Please, with your infinite wisdom, explain how my figures are "fudged" being they are from more reputable sources then the Sun paper you clearly read.
I've already explained how they don't show what you say. They are total deaths, not deaths caused directly by USA/uk. Large percentage are from groups like IS.
Nice edit with chart, now go break down the chart for government especially take out Syrian government forces
Shall we take a more split down view from Iraq
17,049 civilians recorded killed of which
1748 killed by Iraq forces
4325 by isis
118 by US coalition
10858 Uknowen
Suddenly doesn't look so good for your figures does it.
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People who can't understand the 'ISIS-Nazi / WW2-current saga' parallel need to have a re-think. It's pretty obvious.
Also why is it so hard to understand that we are bombing ISIS? We aren't bombing Syria, we aren't bombing civilians. We are bombing Islamic extremists with precision strikes. How is that a bad thing?
The next argument is 'it won't stop ISIS'. Oh ok, it won't stop it so we should just not bother then? let them run around the middle east committing genocide. Branching out into Europe every so often with a deadly attack.
Some people boggle the mind.
Also why is it so hard to understand that we are bombing ISIS? We aren't bombing Syria, we aren't bombing civilians. We are bombing Islamic extremists with precision strikes. How is that a bad thing?
The next argument is 'it won't stop ISIS'. Oh ok, it won't stop it so we should just not bother then? let them run around the middle east committing genocide. Branching out into Europe every so often with a deadly attack.
Some people boggle the mind.
I'll quote again for you, since reading the Sun has clearly dulled your mind:
The total amount of recorded deaths in Syria for November this year:
Hmmm ISIL at 86, man these guys right?
Oh whats this:
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Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2003 3 2 3977 3435 545 598 646 825 566 516 487 525 12,125
2004 610 663 1004 1303 655 909 834 878 1042 1033 1676 1129 11,736
2005 1222 1297 905 1145 1396 1347 1536 2352 1444 1311 1487 1141 16,583
2006 1546 1577 1957 1804 2277 2584 3298 2865 2565 2996 3084 2898 29,451
2007 3017 2679 2726 2565 2844 2199 2694 2481 1387 1324 1124 996 26,036
2008 858 1092 1667 1315 914 750 639 704 612 594 540 586 10,271
2009 372 407 438 589 428 563 431 653 343 441 226 478 5,369
2010 267 305 336 385 387 385 488 520 254 315 307 218 4,167
2011 389 254 311 289 381 386 308 401 397 366 279 392 4,153
2012 531 356 377 392 304 529 469 422 400 290 253 299 4,622
2013 357 360 403 545 888 659 1145 1013 1306 1180 870 1125 9,851
2014 1096 971 1028 1036 1098 4078 1569 1542 1465 1729 1425 1200 18,237
2015 1449 1597 808 1702 1213 1154 1580 1535 1181 1150 941 30 14,340Monthly death toll for Iraq (JUST IRAQ), from UK-US led coalition.
2 million is not from direct deaths, what dont you understand about that.
4325 Isis compared to 118 by coalition, which do you think the locals hate more.
And Isis isn't just killing, its raping, extortion and everything else.
The numbers do not back you up.
And don't believe your little chart, you can count more than 86 on ********s alone.
Oh and one mass grave in Syria last month found over 230 bodies killed by isis, nice fudged numbers you have again.
4325 Isis compared to 118 by coalition, which do you think the locals hate more.
And Isis isn't just killing, its raping, extortion and everything else.
The numbers do not back you up.
And don't believe your little chart, you can count more than 86 on ********s alone.
Oh and one mass grave in Syria last month found over 230 bodies killed by isis, nice fudged numbers you have again.
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The numbers back me up perfectly fine. You said:
And I've just shown you that on a monthly basis over the 10 years in Iraq, we killed more civilians then ISIS. I don't call that small collateral damage.
Wow. so Syria and Iraq combined, ISIS kill roughly 277 in Iraq a month.
The numbers don't back you up, we aren't even going in on foot. Like Iraq.
277 a month, no they are killing far more than that, ah daily mail the best place fir figures.
Lets just ignore the videos Isis themself upload, the mass graves that have been found and survivors.
277 a month, no they are killing far more than that, ah daily mail the best place fir figures.
Lets just ignore the videos Isis themself upload, the mass graves that have been found and survivors.
http://www.iamsyria.org/death-toll-november-2015.html
https://www.quora.com/How-many-people-have-been-killed-by-ISIS
Don't like my numbers, deal with these people.
but we are bombing Syria, Isis isn't a place. We will bomb civilians and there will be collateral damage, the intel will be rubbish and our forces will **** up and blow up some civies