ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

balky12 said:
Does it really need breaking down for you? We are bombing military targets. Yes it's in Syria. But people get all HERP DERP WE IZ BOMBING SYRIA.

Air campaign against ISIS by allied forces in Iraq have produced 0 civilian deaths.

Like I said earlier. If we bomb a military target, in ISIS controlled territory, do you really think the people there will be civilians?

By your logic we would never be able to fight ISIS. WE BOMBING COUNTRIES, WE INVADING COUNTRIES. ISIS needs to be tackled, whatever country it is in.

Not that it matters, but tbf there isn't much left of Syria anyways.
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seriously :confused:

of course there are civilians and children in isis territory, go read the sun and leave this thread it seems to be at your level
 
Dave said:
Won't someone think of the children! The ... gun-toting ... black-flag wielding yoofs who are being trained to kill.
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I assume you were completely unimpressionable as a youth? Completely in control of your own life and not wanting to learn from your parents and other guardians?
 
Glaucus said:
And is it really that different both want to take over the world, well actually Nazis didn't want to take over the whole world IS does. Both commit genocide.
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When have Daesh committed genocide? Serious question, genocide is a very specific war crime; Daesh have committed a long and terrible list of atrocities, but I don't recall genocide numbering among them.

The difference between Daesh and the Nazis is one of power and position. The Nazis genuinely had a world-threatening level of military power; Daesh don't and are a very, very long way from getting one. The Nazis were a national power that could be defeated; Daesh is a paramilitary insurgency fighting primarily against one of the most horrific dictators in the region. Against the Nazis we were deploying a coherent set of forces to beat them, occupy their land and reshape the future; in Daesh we're bombing some bits and pieces and hoping a rag-tag mixture of variously nasty-in-their-own-right forces will fill in the gaps for us whilst ignoring the big ol' elephant sitting in the corner that is that our strikes on Daesh will help the very regime we were proposing to bomb two years ago.

Worse still is the absurdist justification of this on the grounds of the Paris attacks. There can be very little doubt that bombing Daesh will help recruit the very extremists we're supposedly bombing to prevent. While the RAF are ludicrously claiming zero civilian casualties and the US is trying to explain why it bombed a charitable hospital, the reality is that military action of any kind is an ugly, bloody affair.

I'm not opposed to a war against Daesh; I am opposed to a reactionary, half-arsed bombing campaign.
 
Gilly said:
That would be a city. We were discussing training camps in the desert :confused:



I don't believe I am, no. Would you like us to cease fire until the baddies stop hiding behind their own theoretical imaginary children?
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Just because the bad guys hide behind civilians and children doesn't give us the right to kill the innocent people, that would be a war crime
 
Dj_Jestar said:
I assume you were completely unimpressionable as a youth? Completely in control of your own life and not wanting to learn from your parents and other guardians?
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:confused::confused:

So because the youth are impressionable and turning into fanatics like their parents we should leave them be? They will grow out of it? More likely they will blow themselves up first tbh.
 
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