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Just Cause 3’s WaveWorks Detailed; NVIDIA: No Other Solution Can Achieve This Realism
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AMD lads laughing at the bugs, SWBF anyone?
Even though we disagree 99.999999999999999999999999% of the time
, I couldn't agree more!
No secret here that I was a long time Radeon user with multiple mgpu setups that was quite vocal and very loud and proud advocate especially with Mantle, AMD really shook PC gaming and should be applauded for kickstarting the future we now have(the kickers don't know what they missed
).
I did however ignore some of their PR spin and backed them-as most do in here.
Anyway, got fed up on AMD for various reasons but GW's was one of them, IMO, both parties are to blame for poor performance on AMD, yes it should be open for a vendor to see what's happening-but at the same time I believe that as AMD can eventually get round it in time, then they should be pouring cash into hiring however many driver techs it takes to solve the problem!
Why would I want to stay on AMD when I can just play it on Nvidia?
I don't give a **** anymore for morals and not getting sucked in anymore by both of their BS anymore, I just want to play games-right, isn't that what it's all about?
AMD isn't releasing any titles other than a trickle at a time anymore, we just got SWBF but can't even remember the last one, AI maybe?
GW's titles are coming out constantly, GW's is in your face!
Whether you love/despise Nvidia, they are dominating AMD with the NVIDIA GameWorks program the sales don't lie-and it is not going away!
Instead of AMD tripping over their own feet, in an ideal would they would have created OpenWorks? and match Nvidia, but that was another pipe dream, it's never going to happen as the second showing of TFX will dawn what 3+years? after it's debut-wtf is that all about AMD?
It truly saddens me to say, but AMD look amateur to the point it's beyond embarrassment!
What this does is install to every PC gamer in every PC game that has GameWorks that Nvidia is vested in bringing the best possible experience and experienced the best on Nvidia hardware. Not surprising to see some negativity on these effects in truth but when you look at the competition, I applaud anything that attempts to make my PC gaming experience better and visually better at times.
Some of the effects are not usable on AMD either, so it really does make Nvidia seem more attractive and while there are hardcore AMD fans who will dislike anything Nvidia does, the general populace will see the efforts and happy to get the best effects possible by buying Nvidia
Even though we disagree 99.999999999999999999999999% of the time
, I couldn't agree more!No secret here that I was a long time Radeon user with multiple mgpu setups that was quite vocal and very loud and proud advocate especially with Mantle, AMD really shook PC gaming and should be applauded for kickstarting the future we now have(the kickers don't know what they missed
).I did however ignore some of their PR spin and backed them-as most do in here.
Anyway, got fed up on AMD for various reasons but GW's was one of them, IMO, both parties are to blame for poor performance on AMD, yes it should be open for a vendor to see what's happening-but at the same time I believe that as AMD can eventually get round it in time, then they should be pouring cash into hiring however many driver techs it takes to solve the problem!
Why would I want to stay on AMD when I can just play it on Nvidia?
I don't give a **** anymore for morals and not getting sucked in anymore by both of their BS anymore, I just want to play games-right, isn't that what it's all about?
AMD isn't releasing any titles other than a trickle at a time anymore, we just got SWBF but can't even remember the last one, AI maybe?
GW's titles are coming out constantly, GW's is in your face!
Whether you love/despise Nvidia, they are dominating AMD with the NVIDIA GameWorks program the sales don't lie-and it is not going away!
Instead of AMD tripping over their own feet, in an ideal would they would have created OpenWorks? and match Nvidia, but that was another pipe dream, it's never going to happen as the second showing of TFX will dawn what 3+years? after it's debut-wtf is that all about AMD?
It truly saddens me to say, but AMD look amateur to the point it's beyond embarrassment!
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I agree with you Tommy on a lot of things AMD, they really do need to get their act together.
Having said that Nvidia ain't doing anything new, for all the marketing they are just taking stuff thats been done before and naming it ####Works.
Is that such a bad thing? its cynical and even insulting to some but what it effectively is is making all this existing technology easy and cheap to use, why spend countless hours in 3D creation tools making Reactive Grass Physics when you can just paste a propitiatory version of it into your Game?
Yes AMD should do exactly the same, have a team make copy and paste version libraries of everything and hand it to developers, and yes some of it should take advantage of AMD's own architecture so that it either doesn't work on Nvidia or run like crap, and they should deny Nvidia access to all of it.
Thats the world AMD operate in, if they don't act in the same way they will disappear.
Having said that Nvidia ain't doing anything new, for all the marketing they are just taking stuff thats been done before and naming it ####Works.
Is that such a bad thing? its cynical and even insulting to some but what it effectively is is making all this existing technology easy and cheap to use, why spend countless hours in 3D creation tools making Reactive Grass Physics when you can just paste a propitiatory version of it into your Game?
Yes AMD should do exactly the same, have a team make copy and paste version libraries of everything and hand it to developers, and yes some of it should take advantage of AMD's own architecture so that it either doesn't work on Nvidia or run like crap, and they should deny Nvidia access to all of it.
Thats the world AMD operate in, if they don't act in the same way they will disappear.
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Exactly, from PhysX to GW's running on their superior lineup, it's took some years to get there, but they have complete control over the vast majority of end users, to the point that GW's has enforced Nvidia full control on your upgrades.
If you want some of this it'll cost you X.
If you don't want all of it, there is the other mob.
If you want every last bit of it, then stump up your kidney.
Cha-Ching!
Despite Nvidia arrogance and all, as the mid/high end crowd are in it for the superior gaming experience, loads are throwing cash at Nvidia, so proprietary certainly works.
Can only see them pull further ahead tbh.
If you want some of this it'll cost you X.
If you don't want all of it, there is the other mob.
If you want every last bit of it, then stump up your kidney.
Cha-Ching!
Despite Nvidia arrogance and all, as the mid/high end crowd are in it for the superior gaming experience, loads are throwing cash at Nvidia, so proprietary certainly works.
Can only see them pull further ahead tbh.
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Damn you Greg, I was trying to hold off on this game but this post made me buy it for some reason!!
Yer, I really love that map that kicks up the storm and the waves do look immense and shows how good the Frostbite engine is. When you look at the graphics on SWBF, it is jaw droppingly good and not that demanding. GameWorks gets a bad rap because performance is demanding but when you look at the engines these effects are being used on, a new game engine would certainly help at times.
I feel bad now
I think it is part of PhysX and seeing that it runs on the CPU for console/AMD and on the GPU for Nvidia, it does strengthen that thought.
I find it funny that every "serious" gameworks title or close to atleast has been running like **** and that in most cases the performance fix is turning off said gameworks effects.
What i find even more hillarious and also pretty sad is the poor performance on their own gear and the horrible mGPU support in a lot of TWIMTBP titles. The fact that when people are voicing their opinion about subpar performance and demanding 60 fps for top end hardware some nvidia nut will enter the thread saying performance fine while gaming along at 45-50 fps on his gsync screen when he should be expecting more out of his system but for some out of this world reason he cannot see that something is wrong here cause he just spend that 3 grand on his system so everything is of course working as it should since nvidia can never fail right?
How can anyone who have paid for a Titan X or a 980ti(like myself), any higher end nvidia GPU really, be satisfied with the performance we get in the Batman games, JC3, Borderlands 1.5-2.0 and the list goes on. There are no proper reason why these effects are so taxing when you see other non nvidia tech that can do similar or better while performing better as well. And if this is because of bad developers then its funny that the only common denominator is nvidia itself every ******* time.
What i find even more hillarious and also pretty sad is the poor performance on their own gear and the horrible mGPU support in a lot of TWIMTBP titles. The fact that when people are voicing their opinion about subpar performance and demanding 60 fps for top end hardware some nvidia nut will enter the thread saying performance fine while gaming along at 45-50 fps on his gsync screen when he should be expecting more out of his system but for some out of this world reason he cannot see that something is wrong here cause he just spend that 3 grand on his system so everything is of course working as it should since nvidia can never fail right?
How can anyone who have paid for a Titan X or a 980ti(like myself), any higher end nvidia GPU really, be satisfied with the performance we get in the Batman games, JC3, Borderlands 1.5-2.0 and the list goes on. There are no proper reason why these effects are so taxing when you see other non nvidia tech that can do similar or better while performing better as well. And if this is because of bad developers then its funny that the only common denominator is nvidia itself every ******* time.
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This, it's never going to change, pegged by Nvidia and they wouldn't have it any other way.
Could not agree more, then begs the question why stay with them?
It seems people no longer talk with their wallets.
I am very satisfied with the 1080p performance.
Shame I am typing this on a 2160p monitor.
Maybe because the alternatives are no better. This is why I would like to another player in the market, Sadly I can not see this happening in the near future.
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Well Just Cause 3 performs superbly, With a 4790K and 980 Ti I'm getting 80 FPS on average at 1440P with everything at max settings, Can hardly complain at that.
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Its vendor agnostic, the calculations for the waves are done on the CPU. Ofc there would be some extra load on the GPU for shader works/more polys to display the end result, flat water is obliviously cheaper to render that water thats constantly changing with waves and what not.
I'll just leave this here:
http://www.computerbase.de/2015-12/just-cause-3-grafikkarten-benchmarks/
You can google translate the page for more information
http://www.computerbase.de/2015-12/just-cause-3-grafikkarten-benchmarks/
You can google translate the page for more information
I'll just leave this here:
http://www.computerbase.de/2015-12/just-cause-3-grafikkarten-benchmarks/
You can google translate the page for more information
Dont need to translate, without even looking at the link, I know with the word benchmarks in it and who posted it, is that its favouring AMD. am I right or am I right ?