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AMD And Gigabyte - Cease And Desist From Asetek – Demanding Suspension Of R9 Fury X And Gigabyte GTX
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AMD isn't in trouble, asetek is simply seeking a cease and desist for an infringed product, CM is in trouble.
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Yup, patent offices are a complete joke, they hand out patents left right and centre for utterly mundane crap that often people have done before or is an idea that is so patently (
) obvious that granting a patent is absurd.... so they go ahead and grant the patent.Much like Nvidia's losing patent case, ultimately saying we made a gpu... when others made it but didn't call it as such, and the other absurd claims they made were ideas either already around or so completely obviously the next step that everyone making similar products made the same next step. Like AMD could have patented dual core x86 chips but it would have been absurd, more than one core was common in many other chips and x86 dual core chips were an extremely obvious next step.
Thing is I can't believe Asus would win this in court, but it's cheaper for people to settle with Asus than go to court. Also if they settled this then other companies would be more willing to licence the idea from Asus than do it on their own and face their own inevitable law suit. This was it would seem Nvidia's main goal. Scare people into paying up for their licence hoping no one wanted the hassle and expense of going to court.
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Wouldn't that be a real turn around if 'ASUS' did win 
Maybe that would be the best way to go, Finding an older version to award it too might make Asetek or whoever else think twice before attempting this sort of thing again.
In all seriousness though it is an attitude that's going to hold the industry back or at least slow it down while reducing the options available, It already sucks only having 2 GPU players let's hope this Americanised patent me trend eventually goes away so these companies can do what they should be doing and compete with each other to make the best products for us to chose from.
And regarding doing it just to get an easy payday by forcing companies to pay your company for doing something that theoretically anyone could have thought up if they sat down and thought about it, Go and earn your money properly by designing and selling the better product.
Maybe that would be the best way to go, Finding an older version to award it too might make Asetek or whoever else think twice before attempting this sort of thing again.
In all seriousness though it is an attitude that's going to hold the industry back or at least slow it down while reducing the options available, It already sucks only having 2 GPU players let's hope this Americanised patent me trend eventually goes away so these companies can do what they should be doing and compete with each other to make the best products for us to chose from.
And regarding doing it just to get an easy payday by forcing companies to pay your company for doing something that theoretically anyone could have thought up if they sat down and thought about it, Go and earn your money properly by designing and selling the better product.
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Yup, patent offices are a complete joke, they hand out patents left right and centre for utterly mundane crap that often people have done before or is an idea that is so patently (
Much like Nvidia's losing patent case, ultimately saying we made a gpu... when others made it but didn't call it as such, and the other absurd claims they made were ideas either already around or so completely obviously the next step that everyone making similar products made the same next step. Like AMD could have patented dual core x86 chips but it would have been absurd, more than one core was common in many other chips and x86 dual core chips were an extremely obvious next step.
Thing is I can't believe Asus would win this in court, but it's cheaper for people to settle with Asus than go to court. Also if they settled this then other companies would be more willing to licence the idea from Asus than do it on their own and face their own inevitable law suit. This was it would seem Nvidia's main goal. Scare people into paying up for their licence hoping no one wanted the hassle and expense of going to court.
You should know better than to bring Nvidia in to this thread. While I do understand it is mildy related to patent trolling but your post seems to be aimed at getting at Nvidia rather than the message in the OP.
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I think the whole thing is stupid. I saw the patent and diagram for it and it is nothing special. It is not innovative and ridiculous people can claim something so simple as 'their own idea' to prevent competitors from selling it or to gain financially from competitors.
How is this ruling decided?
Are experts in cooling/engineering brought in to judge whether the device should be exclusive to the company or is it decided by legal professionals?
If you told 20 Physics/engineering students to design a block with a pump on it, then i would be surprised if half of them differed much from aseteks patent diagram.
The problem lies with patent office being run as a business rather than a place to manage intellectual property. I dont know if any money beyond what is needed to cover admin is made but the way patents are handed out it looks like a sweet shop. Some people who fancy themselves inventors file hundreds of patents.
How is this ruling decided?
Are experts in cooling/engineering brought in to judge whether the device should be exclusive to the company or is it decided by legal professionals?
If you told 20 Physics/engineering students to design a block with a pump on it, then i would be surprised if half of them differed much from aseteks patent diagram.
The problem lies with patent office being run as a business rather than a place to manage intellectual property. I dont know if any money beyond what is needed to cover admin is made but the way patents are handed out it looks like a sweet shop. Some people who fancy themselves inventors file hundreds of patents.
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It's so ridiculous...
Sometimes you have to wonder where's the line drawn between patent, anti-competition and monopoly.
If Asetek can get away with having a patent for the watercooling units, then wouldn't it mean Intel can also throw their weight around and accusing any hardware maker put a processing unit to work together with system memory on the same PCB infringing their patent? (I know it might not be Intel that came up with the concept, but I am just using Intel for illustrating purpose only).
Sometimes you have to wonder where's the line drawn between patent, anti-competition and monopoly.
If Asetek can get away with having a patent for the watercooling units, then wouldn't it mean Intel can also throw their weight around and accusing any hardware maker put a processing unit to work together with system memory on the same PCB infringing their patent? (I know it might not be Intel that came up with the concept, but I am just using Intel for illustrating purpose only).
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I sort of blame American courtr culture for this attitude. It seems that companies feel that they deserve everything they can get a hold of legally and it is the fault of the courts for allowing this attitude to be come the norm by rewarding those who try it.
yeah it is. the company would (should) have done a freedom to operate search.
but sometimes its a really fine line when patents are concerned.
It does make you wonder how AMD didn't know about this.
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An educated guess would be that they didn't feel the need to look, they knew CM were already paying asetek, would have presumed everything was in line as the initial court ruling in aseteks' favour was/is still quite a fresh wound. It would be quite easy for amd to plead ignorence/stupidity over this.
If asetek get the fury x pulled from shelves I can see CM getting a visit from amd's lawyers too. I don't think it will get to that point though.
"Gigabyte GTX 980 WaterForce"
U WOT M8?
R9 Fury X
I dont know what U WOT M8 means.
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Is that an Nvidia card?
I believe board partners must get the say so from Nvidia/AMD before any cards go on sale (though i could be wrong, if not you would expect it so). You could argue a bit of sloppy work from both teams but at the same time I think being allowed to patent something like this is as ridiculous as patenting bread that rises.
The funny thing is coolermaster doesn't even make the part, its bought in from another company.
From Toms Hardware on the pump issues:
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/amd-radeon-r9-fury-x-power-pump-efficiency,review-33249.html
From Toms Hardware on the pump issues:
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/amd-radeon-r9-fury-x-power-pump-efficiency,review-33249.html
Even though I do agree that the patent system is inherently broken, you cannot start moaning about the fact that a company with a patent doesn't actually make the components that make up a product. You expect Cooler master to make the pump internals, the plastic housing, the tubing, the clips or glue, the fluid, including the anti algaecide, the radiator, the fan, the wiring, so that's the plastic coating and the copper wiring inside.
You get the idea. Yes the patent system is broken, but nearly everything is made up of components made by somebody else, so don't moan at them for not actually making every single part of it, they put it together and sell it as one unit, whether they should have been granted the patent in the first place, is a different argument altogether.
You get the idea. Yes the patent system is broken, but nearly everything is made up of components made by somebody else, so don't moan at them for not actually making every single part of it, they put it together and sell it as one unit, whether they should have been granted the patent in the first place, is a different argument altogether.
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I think it is more that AMD and GB are getting a cease and desist, while CM are paying a considerable chunk of their profits, while there has been little said about the company which originally made the units.