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As Dicehunter said earlier, perhaps westerners are worried about bringing kids up in a country becoming overwhelmed by madly breeding none westerners? 
Why Are Westerners Having Less Kids ?
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True Western countries have gone over to consumerist spending splurges for the latest 'must have' trinket, holiday etc. and not bothered about family. Family limits the time you have to do the things you may want. People organise round themselves, a parent has to organise round the family when they want to do something for themselves(if it can even be arranged). Family is expensive and a long term commitment as well as bringing new problems.
Asian families are still family orientated at present but I think by the time they get to the second or third generation in a Western country they will be no different. There is also the massive expense of housing for a family base.
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It is also far less acceptable to sleep around before marriage as a women in these countries (regardless of the religion of the country). People still do though as it is human nature but that contraception is less readily available because of it. It is completely normal for eastern couples to be married by their early 20's too.
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Because kids are very expensive.
Unless you're popping them out yearly for the Bennies.
Unless you're popping them out yearly for the Bennies.
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It's a **** overcrowded world. Constant wars, terrorism, horrible diseases. Resources are being depleted. You have to fight tooth and nail to get jobs and even then they are not secure. I find kids to be highly irritating, but that might be due so much bad parenting.
Being selfish for not having children is the dumbest thing I've heard. Every child born is just an extra Strain on the planet. This is far more selfish. What if your child has a serious problem and suffers in life. How do you deal with that?
Being selfish for not having children is the dumbest thing I've heard. Every child born is just an extra Strain on the planet. This is far more selfish. What if your child has a serious problem and suffers in life. How do you deal with that?
Until someone raises a child that works out how to cure a disease, feed a nation, reduce pollution, discover the secret to planetary terraforming and colonisation, etc.
It's definitely the cost of living. Yes ok, enough with the house price argument -- that's old now. But what goes with that is the horrendous state of the private rented sector -- I've always argued that this is damaging our communities.
You have a generation of 25-40yr olds that have no stake in society apart from their own well-being. They have no stake in their community because they rent and could be kicked out at any moment. If they're not kicked out then their scum-sucking landlord could raise the rent to an unaffordable amount and force them out. I lived 5yrs in my 'community' only to be kicked out when my landlords wanted to refurbish. Rents had gone up so much that we couldn't afford to stay. So we moved to the other side of London. That sort of things isn't quite on the same 'sob story' scale as homeless people, but it's probably all-too common.
On top of this, why on earth would you want to bring up a child in that situation. They'd have to move schools every few years, tear them away from friends etc. it would be horrendous. And really bad for a child's upbringing. That's without taking into account the sheer expense (expensive rents, moving costs). We have a situation where two 30+yr old working adults can only afford a two bedroom flat in the south east/London. No wonder they aren't having kids.
You have a generation of 25-40yr olds that have no stake in society apart from their own well-being. They have no stake in their community because they rent and could be kicked out at any moment. If they're not kicked out then their scum-sucking landlord could raise the rent to an unaffordable amount and force them out. I lived 5yrs in my 'community' only to be kicked out when my landlords wanted to refurbish. Rents had gone up so much that we couldn't afford to stay. So we moved to the other side of London. That sort of things isn't quite on the same 'sob story' scale as homeless people, but it's probably all-too common.
On top of this, why on earth would you want to bring up a child in that situation. They'd have to move schools every few years, tear them away from friends etc. it would be horrendous. And really bad for a child's upbringing. That's without taking into account the sheer expense (expensive rents, moving costs). We have a situation where two 30+yr old working adults can only afford a two bedroom flat in the south east/London. No wonder they aren't having kids.
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A good point, it would be better encourage development of technology and 'green attitudes' rather than to frown upon people having unprotected sex (regardless of motive).
Also far more effective
Fewer.
And I think it's because of society/attitudes in general really. And look at the world we live in; a society that thinks its cool to be a celebrity that doesn't actually do anything of worth. A society that thinks its cool to be vacuous and live your life on social media. A society that strives to be nugatory. Why would you want to bring children into that?
And I think it's because of society/attitudes in general really. And look at the world we live in; a society that thinks its cool to be a celebrity that doesn't actually do anything of worth. A society that thinks its cool to be vacuous and live your life on social media. A society that strives to be nugatory. Why would you want to bring children into that?
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I also hate being ill. From what I've seen, once you have kids, you spend the next 11 years at least being continually sick. Coughs, colds, chicken pox, bum runs, you name it
Schools are breeding grounds for every contagious illness known to man
Schools are breeding grounds for every contagious illness known to man
My views
If you don't have the drive to have kids they make no sense
Expensive
Can be ungrateful
Can't change your mind once you have them
Tie you down to a place (changing school is turbulent)
You have to give up much of your life
Risk of relationship breakdown, kids make this tougher
So it really makes no sense if you don't feel that biological need
A dog
You can move easily
Cheaper
If need to you can rehome
Love you no matter what
Won't cause you hassle
(much cuter on a personal note)
Seems logical to me.
If you don't have the drive to have kids they make no sense
Expensive
Can be ungrateful
Can't change your mind once you have them
Tie you down to a place (changing school is turbulent)
You have to give up much of your life
Risk of relationship breakdown, kids make this tougher
So it really makes no sense if you don't feel that biological need
A dog
You can move easily
Cheaper
If need to you can rehome
Love you no matter what
Won't cause you hassle
(much cuter on a personal note)
Seems logical to me.
Old?... Just like PFI?
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Because women are more educated, with greater freedom. Plus we are richer, the richer you are the less children you need.
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A prime example is my parents. Mother never worked. Dad brought home the bacon. Mortgage paid off in ten years. You could feel a lot less pressure in the home.
Bring it forward to my generation. We have one daughter. Both in work. We actually work opposite shifts so see each other around 20 hours a week when not on holiday. We bought a nice house at 23 but will not have it paid off till our early forties. Both our parents have emigrated. We are trying for another baby but by God we know how hard it is!
Cost of living has made it very difficult to have a family that will stay together. We can not all be like prince William and retire at thirty!
These people who have a lot of kids do so on government welfare and is not something I would want to do.
Bring it forward to my generation. We have one daughter. Both in work. We actually work opposite shifts so see each other around 20 hours a week when not on holiday. We bought a nice house at 23 but will not have it paid off till our early forties. Both our parents have emigrated. We are trying for another baby but by God we know how hard it is!
Cost of living has made it very difficult to have a family that will stay together. We can not all be like prince William and retire at thirty!
These people who have a lot of kids do so on government welfare and is not something I would want to do.
atheist viewpoints? would be interested in hearing more about that.