Why Are Westerners Having Less Kids ?
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If by only in the UK you mean the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Republic of Korea, Russian Federation and United States of America
All of those have severely declining birth rates yet all countries outside of those have ever increasing birth rates like mainly Hindu and muslim countries as they encourage large families.
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If by only in the UK you mean the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Republic of Korea, Russian Federation and United States of America
All of those have severely declining birth rates yet all countries outside of those have ever increasing birth rates like mainly Hindu and muslim countries as they encourage large families.
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It is true though, isn't it? I remember a few horror stories being told to me as a schoolkid about a future on an overpopulated planet where people went to war over water and food supplies .... It seems odd now the government seems to want us to have more than one or two kids ....
Better educated, better life prospects, far less likely to see women as objects that must do what they told and a dozen other reasons.
And that thought is still peddled albeit wrong. Human population is expected to peak bellow 10 billion before falling.
All countries have seen the same, as education, women rights, prospects, health care all increase, birth rates decline.
Governments want more kids as we need them for economic reasons. However we should be changing the economic model instead, they're just holding their heads in the sand. Mass immigration is only going to mask the issue for so long. We need to start moving away from new generation paying for the older generation, into a model of each generation pays for themselves.
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It seems odd now the government seems to want us to have more than one or two kids ....
And that thought is still peddled albeit wrong. Human population is expected to peak bellow 10 billion before falling.
All countries have seen the same, as education, women rights, prospects, health care all increase, birth rates decline.
Governments want more kids as we need them for economic reasons. However we should be changing the economic model instead, they're just holding their heads in the sand. Mass immigration is only going to mask the issue for so long. We need to start moving away from new generation paying for the older generation, into a model of each generation pays for themselves.
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It seems odd now the government seems to want us to have more than one or two kids ....
Yeah I remember in social studies being told that people should only have 1 child per family, Now it's the reverse as the last few generations have had so little in the way of children that western culture, Looking at the current evidence, Could very well be slowly erased and national identities vanish due to the ever growing immigrant population from outside the EU and the declining native EU population.
Like I said above just look at Sweden, In 1-2 decades native Swedes will be a minority in their own country due to an overwhelming amount of immigration and 2 or 3 decades after that we could very well see the complete erasure of native swedes replaced by middle easterners and africans which is frightening to think that actual age old culture will be gone because of this need to stem native birth rates and swamp ones country with foreigners.
Now I have nothing against anyone from other countries as I'm a foreigner to England but countries need to start waking up a little and realizing this could be very dangerous.
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If by only in the UK you mean the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Republic of Korea, Russian Federation and United States of America
All of those have severely declining birth rates yet all countries outside of those have ever increasing birth rates like mainly Hindu and muslim countries as they encourage large families.
They don't all have severely declining birth rates.
It's all of the countries outside of those that have declining birth rates. E.g.
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They don't all have severely declining birth rates.
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The birth rates have severely declined, just because they have levelled out in recent years, the birth rate is still way below the "2" you need(other than France). Which means a declining population. However our economics are based on an increasing population so even France with it's static population is in a bad way.
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He said severely declining birth rates. Stable low fertility (and increasing in some cases) for the past 30 years is not that. Most countries that have experienced lowest low fertility are now moving back towards replacement level and it is the rest of the world, particularly developing countries, that are experiencing declining fertility.
Yeah like we need more people having kids in the uk to take all our tax money who can't afford to work due to wanting a job on 50k a year with no experiance or qualifications as they think they deserve it for having 4-6 kids from early 20's and looking after them 24/7 in there 500k council house.
Im 32 and maybe want kids one day but not bothered either way my 2 brothers have them and while i love my nieces they don't make me want one of my own so bad i have to have it now. Also my GF isn't bothered either way either atm.
Plus get to spend all our money on holidays or stuff we want and can enjoy now rather then extra strain on finances.
Im 32 and maybe want kids one day but not bothered either way my 2 brothers have them and while i love my nieces they don't make me want one of my own so bad i have to have it now. Also my GF isn't bothered either way either atm.
Plus get to spend all our money on holidays or stuff we want and can enjoy now rather then extra strain on finances.
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The easiest way to find out why men of the UK (primarily men from a certain hobby sector) are choosing to avoid more kids is to turn this into a poll with the suggested posts as answers and phrase it 'What is the primary reason for you to not have more children?'
Probably the results would be worth little but would be interesting. To make it fair the poll should have the same answers twice, one with (already have kids) and another with (no kids) and another option with 'no opportunity'.
So:
1. Overpopulation (have kids)
2. Overpopulation (Dont have)
3. Cost of kids (have)
4. Cost of kids (Dont have)
5. No opportunity to have kids
6. etc...
I think a poll that differentiates between people who already have kids and don't have kids would produce very funny results.
Probably the results would be worth little but would be interesting. To make it fair the poll should have the same answers twice, one with (already have kids) and another with (no kids) and another option with 'no opportunity'.
So:
1. Overpopulation (have kids)
2. Overpopulation (Dont have)
3. Cost of kids (have)
4. Cost of kids (Dont have)
5. No opportunity to have kids
6. etc...
I think a poll that differentiates between people who already have kids and don't have kids would produce very funny results.
Those you showed are only from 2007.
However the temporary bounce back is from immigration. However there birthdates also decline after a few generations of Integration. So it's still only a temporary fix.
And as you say birth rates are declining globally so at some point even immigration is not going to bolster the figures.
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From 1960:
It's not a temporary bounce back. It's a stable long term trend towards replacement level (or replacement level + migration). Some of the increases in fertility are from migrants, but not all.
You're right that our economic system is in for a shock, though.
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I have a kid,another on the way, and I couldn't be happier being a father and don't regret having children in the slightest.
But that doesn't mean that sacrifices had to be made, changes in lifestyle, decision making, risk analysis. It almost certainly pushed back my plans for earlier retirement, a single child in daycare cost 20% more than our mortgage. being a parent is very tiring and stressful, for the last weeks I've barely had 5 hours sleep a night since our baby has been teething, had an ear infection and then a flu like cold, with my wife being pregnant I had to do a lot of night comforting.
having kids is a trade off. you loose a lot of time, money and freedom but gain soemthign incredibly rewarding. yesterday afternoon was a highlight of this - I wanted to go on a bike ride but it was a Bday part of our child's friend at a local swimming pool so i had to go swimming with her. For an hour she was giggling and screaming in my face, saying "Dadda Dadda Dadda is just priceless". When we got home after dinner she said "dadda 'uddle", first time she tried to say the word cuddle, again just priceless. this morning she picked her swim suit off the drying rack and gave it to me and said "dadda more" with huge puppy dog eyes. that is much more valuable than sleeping in on a sunday.
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Marry a devout catholic then, should have you covered.
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I personally have no desire to have kids (at the moment anyway). If it happened then I would support them as best I could and certainly love them, but it just isn't a personal aspiration of mine.