Why Are Westerners Having Less Kids ?
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Lets not beat about the bush, its just down to intelligence.
Stupid people have more kids period.
Nailed it
Lets not beat about the bush, its just down to intelligence.
Stupid people have more kids period.
Like Steven Spielberg.
We will be bucking the trend and having at least 4 children. 1 down and will be making the second next year
If you can afford it and have the time.
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Lets not beat about the bush, its just down to intelligence.
Stupid people have more kids period.
Partially true.
The cost of childcare means that if you are in a certain bracket in terms of earning (one earns close to min wage, one earns a lot more), then it simply isn't financially viable to have more than one. Let's face it, a mortgage for anyone who bought their first house in the last 8/9 years is astronomical compare to people that wrought them 20 years ago. That is a major factor. When families live with their grandparents and not moving out that changes what you can and can't do!
I think if childcare for a day didn't cost more than you earn on around minimum wage more people would have kids.
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Thread is hilarious.
Lets not beat about the bush, its just down to intelligence.
Stupid people have more kids period.
This.
By now the social justice warriors will be all over you
I'm finally finally at an age (35) where I can have kids and give them a near enough magical upbringing. Own house, own company and financially secure. Also working on the future mother of the kids.
Obviously had the ability to had them sooner but that would've been irresponsible as I weren't in a good position.
Stupid people will go ahead and have them anyway and inevitably screw it up.
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Such complete arrogance I have not seen in a long time
That outlined part is quite a good point actually, I have a large social circle and it's mainly all women as I have a lot of women in my family who surprise have lots of female friends but I have only met a small number of women who can be faithful to the men in their lives and that is quite sad
I think it is not so much faithfulness as men are guilty of that as well. Its the ability that has been lost to put up with masculinity in all its brutality that has been lost. Few generations ago women would dismiss complaints from others of how they could do better or how they don't have to put up with the beer drinking lazy man who demands food to be made. These days women are the ones leaving when they think their man is not satisfying their expectations. Because most of them have jobs and they get the children and mandatory monthly payments from the ex-husband and usually welfare from the state as well, it is all too appealing. If a man is lucky enough to find a women that after 15 years still likes you in spite of your laziness and rudeness and so on then he might be able to avoid it. Modern women look at the situation and think, why should I put up with x and y i can leave and get the children and not have to clean up after the man. While the past the women valued the family and putting up with a man was just a part of that.
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Yea but you're probably talking about the young and stupid ones obsessed with what BS a media culture feeds them. I'm going steady with someone now that's happy to take the traditional female roll while I'm out there (mind you, so is she) fighting the office wars. Once they hit 30+ and all the mates start pairing off and they realise Life isn't 'Sex and the City' they become humble. My adventures in constant dating is well documented on here and probably had dates with well over 150-200 women. I see this trend all the time when the clock goes tick tock.
We will be bucking the trend and having at least 4 children. 1 down and will be making the second next year
Well I hope you can afford to raise all of them without a pennys worth of help from the benefits system or you will face the full, roll-eyes smiley ire of the OcUK High Horse Brigade.
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I am not expecting women to take on a traditional female role. I am just pointing out the different expectations that modern women have compared to women in the past, in the context of why families are in decline. A lot of the men in the current generations grew up in single parent households, myself included, my dad left my mom when i was 14. We don't want to make the same mistakes and have children that we never see and be that dad that is never there. I am not having a go at single parents as they do a good job, there is obviously a natural tendency to want to be goods parents, well for a lot of people, that is how they were brought up.
On the opposite end the men look at the situation and think, why would i get married when the women is not going to lift a finger to help me and only expect me to change who i am and what i like doing to fit in with her expectations of what a modern man should do. With the constant risk of the women just walking out at the slightest expectation or arbitrary reason not being met, men do a risk analysis without any thought and it results in less marriage and families. There are women out there who value family over their personal interests but they are difficult to find. Usually those sorts of women are found in long term relationships, ie they grew up together. If i am 31 and find a woman online chances are she is not going to put the family interests before her own, especially if i am not meeting her expectations and there are so many financial incentives around leaving.
Anyway that is just my opinions on it that and welcome to be shown how i am wrong.
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Can't see that anyone has posted this yet, it's the best statistical discussion on this topic I've watched:
Hans discusses how human civilization seems to have actually reached "peak child" and now we're just waiting for the current 2.0 billion children to grow old, at which point we will reach the current forecasted peak population of 11 Billion
Interesting that his models predict Europe will actually decrease, mostly due to the reasons people have been discussing in this thread.
Africa and Asia will have the largest populations by some margin if his models prove accurate.
Of course he doesn't consider things such as large scale global war, or the zombie apocalypse. But it's an interesting discussion around the numbers
Hans discusses how human civilization seems to have actually reached "peak child" and now we're just waiting for the current 2.0 billion children to grow old, at which point we will reach the current forecasted peak population of 11 Billion
Interesting that his models predict Europe will actually decrease, mostly due to the reasons people have been discussing in this thread.
Africa and Asia will have the largest populations by some margin if his models prove accurate.
Of course he doesn't consider things such as large scale global war, or the zombie apocalypse. But it's an interesting discussion around the numbers
Eh?
Much like Native Americans and Aborigines let's see what they thought of the influx of western civilisation?
How can the population be in a minority in Sweden after 20 years?
Migration figures also take into account people studying and on temporary work permits or even taking citizenship because they aren't from the EU but without intent to live long term in Sweden.
Even now they only make up 14% of the population and are growing at 100 000 per year (all types included)
The assumptions made that in 20 years all foreign nationals will have 4-5 kids and Swedes 0-1 is wild to say the least.
Interesting but 59 mins isn't there a TL;DR version say couple of pages long?
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As Dicehunter said earlier, perhaps westerners are worried about bringing kids up in a country becoming overwhelmed by madly breeding none westerners?
I do want kids at some point, I've just not found myself in a relationship with someone yet that I feel would be the right person to settle down and start a family with - I am only 27 though, so I'd guess there is a fair bit of time left - But I have also thought quite often that I would like to have 1 child of my own and to then adopt 1.