AMD Fluid Motion "Enable 60fps Movies"

[Dicehunter]

Movies should be 23.976 FPS

Historically the reason for the 24FPS in movies was down to cost vs quality.

When all movies were made on actual film, 24FPS was the best bang for the buck as film reel was quite expensive so people got use to it even though nowadays there isn't a reason why we shouldn't be at 60FPS other than people living in the past.

There is some serious love for 24fps films here. Frankly I'm desperate to move away from that archaic standard. There is nothing worse to me than a panning shot where the fast moving background just falls apart. No, I would embrace a smoother faster framerate and I felt that the action scenes in the hobbit were greatly enhanced as I could actually see what the hell was happening. It might feel weird when you are used to something different, but that doesn't make it bad.

On topic, I'm not really a fan of interpolation so this tech doesn't really interest me. I've moved away from AMD so I can't test it, but I would if I could just to check it out.

Shhhhh, We must stay in the past as people are afraid of change, Advancement is not allowed !

 

[Rroff]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding but doesn't g-synch / freesynch operate similarly (people mentioning not adding detail but simply adding extra frames is bad yet they don't magic out new and fresh detail either)?

I might be wrong but I thought it'd work similar

G-SYNC doesn't interpolate detail in frames it simply duplicates frames in low framerate situations to even out transitions and allow the framerate to recover quickly.

 

[Troezar]

Is this the same effect I notice with all the TV sharpness settings where you get the hyperreal effect? It liked like you're watching the making of the film rather than a film. Much easier to suspend your disbelief when it's all turned off/down.

First noticed it on the Dark Knight when I bought the TV. Terrible, looked like a documentary. As some have said technically better, sharper but looks too real. Nothing to do with not liking change just what I see. A bit like all these sensitive to low frame rate people, I don't see that at all. Contrary to popular belief we aren't all identical

 

[LambChop]

What people call 'Film Look' is just motion blur and judder in scenes.

If you won't accept 24fps in a game and bash consoles for only managing 30fps then how can you accept it in a movie? I know there is more involved with input latency and responsiveness but the issue is still the same.

Thats not what film look is. Watch a film then watch a video shot on your phone. You'll see what I mean by film look.

 

[LambChop]

Historically the reason for the 24FPS in movies was down to cost vs quality.

When all movies were made on actual film, 24FPS was the best bang for the buck as film reel was quite expensive so people got use to it even though nowadays there isn't a reason why we shouldn't be at 60FPS other than people living in the past.



Shhhhh, We must stay in the past as people are afraid of change, Advancement is not allowed !

No, 24FPS was used to accomodate sound. Nothing to do with cost Vs quality. That's why it was created and that's why its used.

This has nothing to do with being afraid of change, its to do with its not broken so it doesnt need fixed.

 

[Dicehunter]

No, 24FPS was used to accomodate sound. Nothing to do with cost Vs quality. That's why it was created and that's why its used.

This has nothing to do with being afraid of change, its to do with its not broken so it doesnt need fixed.

Guess my media studies teacher was wrong

I've watched films at 60FPS and it looks so much better than 24FPS, Shame they don't film it in 60FPS and then give us an option when it comes to cinema releases weather to watch it in the archaic 24 or modern 60

 

[LambChop]

Guess my media studies teacher was wrong

Well my understanding is old movies (think charlie chaplin era)were shot in 16FPS. To bring in the film scores, mosic, effects etc, 24FPS was introduced. There was no choice in this.

 

[AMDJoe]

Wasn't the Hobbit shot with double the fps?

Pretty sure they used GoPros for the barrel scene in the first film. God they were boring films.

 

[Dicehunter]

Well my understanding is old movies (think charlie chaplin era)were shot in 16FPS. To bring in the film scores, mosic, effects etc, 24FPS was introduced. There was no choice in this.

I know that I mean going beyond 24FPS wasn't cost effective as film was quite expensive at the time.

 

[LambChop]

Guess my media studies teacher was wrong

I've watched films at 60FPS and it looks so much better than 24FPS, Shame they don't film it in 60FPS and then give us an option when it comes to cinema releases weather to watch it in the archaic 24 or modern 60

But its not archaic. You're essentially getting more film to see at 60fps, I get it, I get what its trying to do and be but it takes away any film look to the movie, it makes it look home video shot (best way I can describe it) especially when it comes to effects used.

 

[Cyanide]

Guess my media studies teacher was wrong

I've watched films at 60FPS and it looks so much better than 24FPS, Shame they don't film it in 60FPS and then give us an option when it comes to cinema releases weather to watch it in the archaic 24 or modern 60

But if it's filmed at 60FPS it means a shutter of 1/120 and so even converted to 24fps it'll have a completely different look at a film shot at 24fps 1/48

Some things may look better with a higher framerate - action shots, sports etc but a lot just ends up looking weird. I had a serious amount of hate for The Hobbit (though that wasn't just the high framerate )

 

[LambChop]

But if it's filmed at 60FPS it means a shutter of 1/120 and so even converted to 24fps it'll have a completely different look at a film shot at 24fps 1/48

Some things may look better with a higher framerate - action shots, sports etc but a lot just ends up looking weird. I had a serious amount of hate for The Hobbit (though that wasn't just the high framerate )

The fact Jackson was just making it up as he went along ?

 

[Dicehunter]

But its not archaic. You're essentially getting more film to see at 60fps, I get it, I get what its trying to do and be but it takes away any film look to the movie, it makes it look home video shot (best way I can describe it) especially when it comes to effects used.

But if it's filmed at 60FPS it means a shutter of 1/120 and so even converted to 24fps it'll have a completely different look at a film shot at 24fps 1/48

Some things may look better with a higher framerate - action shots, sports etc but a lot just ends up looking weird. I had a serious amount of hate for The Hobbit (though that wasn't just the high framerate )

60FPS only looks weird because we are use to 24FPS, Guaranteed 1 year of watching movies at 60FPS and you wouldn't ever go back to the sluggish 24FPS

 

[old gamer]

But its not archaic. You're essentially getting more film to see at 60fps, I get it, I get what its trying to do and be but it takes away any film look to the movie, it makes it look home video shot (best way I can describe it) especially when it comes to effects used.

I know what you mean, I had a Samsung tv that had something called tru motion and it was awful, it took away all the cinema feel of a film and made it look like it had been shot with a hd camcorder

 

[LambChop]

60FPS only looks weird because we are use to 24FPS, Guaranteed 1 year of watching movies at 60FPS and you wouldn't ever go back to the sluggish 24FPS

There's a filp side too. If you are talking about 'sluggish 24FPS' then TV's have a lot to answer for too. Watch a 'standard' 24FPS movie on say a 1080P LCD/Plasma you may get a bit of blur in fast moving scenes which is introduced by the TV's processing. Watch the same movie on say an OLED or even an OLED 4K and you'll find that motion blur is almost and in in some cases completely gone. We dont need 60FPS to help with poor TV processing, we need TV's to get better.

 

[Dicehunter]

I know what you mean, I had a Samsung tv that had something called tru motion and it was awful, it took away all the cinema feel of a film and made it look like it had been shot with a hd camcorder

That's interpolation though which isn't true 60FPS, Interpolation can look quite horrible at times.

 

[The Slayer_UK]

I almost took my first Samsung 1080p TV back as it had the soap opera effect on i thought it looked horrendous luckily i did some googling and managed to find out what it was and turned it off, now anytime anyone gets a new tv in our family i tell them the first thing is to turn it off.

 

[Marine-RX179]

SVP has been doing this for years, used this on all my PCs, be they Intel, AMD, or nVidia GPUs.

https://www.svp-team.com/wiki/Main_Page

You don't need the new paid version 4.

I tried to use the AMD method in this thread but couldn't get it to work, so I try the SVP software and it is simply straight forward to use!

Watching anime at 60fps doesn't feel weird it is actually more enjoyable. Can't believe I didn't know about this software until yesterday...

But it does require quite a lot of CPU processor power for the conversion...it's fine on my overclocked 2500K with CPU usage only hitting around 30-40%, but on the other older PC with the overclocked Q6600 it is hitting 100% CPU usage and stuttering a bit, so I had to turn down the setting a bit for the conversion to keep it at around 90% CPU usage max.

 

[Cyanide]

Plus if 60FPS (or in fact any higher framerate) becomes the norm in Hollywood they'll have to increase the SFX budget significantly - it's amazing what you can hide running at 24fps

 

[LambChop]

I tried to use the AMD method in this thread but couldn't get it to work, so I try the SVP software and it is simply straight forward to use!

Watching anime at 60fps doesn't feel weird it is actually more enjoyable. Can't believe I didn't know about this software until yesterday...

But it does require quite a lot of CPU processor power for the conversion...it's fine on my overclocked 2500K with CPU usage only hitting around 30-40%, but on the other older PC with the overclocked Q6600 it is hitting 100% CPU usage and stuttering a bit, so I had to turn down the setting a bit for the conversion to keep it at around 90% CPU usage max.

That's a fake 60fps tho. Unless the movie was shot in 60FPS then you're not seeing anymore of the film, you're essentially doubling up the frames by duplicating them. It introduces ridiculous effects of its own. As far as anime goes I'd bet my last pound you wouldnt be able to tell the difference side by side. You'll be witnessing a nice little placebo.