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AMD Fluid Motion "Enable 60fps Movies"

LambChop said:
That's a fake 60fps tho. Unless the movie was shot in 60FPS then you're not seeing anymore of the film, you're essentially doubling up the frames by duplicating them. It introduces ridiculous effects of its own. As far as anime goes I'd bet my last pound you wouldnt be able to tell the difference side by side. You'll be witnessing a nice little placebo.
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Yea it's indeed not true 60fps, but it most certainly not placebo as I can clearly tell when the anime is running at 24fps instead of the "fake 60fps" even without side by side comparison. If you want side-by-side comparison, have a look at the following and tell me you don't see the difference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHPVDXwMxiA

The "fake 60fps" is no more fake than the "fake 2560 res" of the downsampling of say 2560x1440 res onto 1080 monitor like DSR and VSR, but that doesn't neccessarily mean it is not better.
 
LambChop said:
That's a fake 60fps tho. Unless the movie was shot in 60FPS then you're not seeing anymore of the film, you're essentially doubling up the frames by duplicating them. It introduces ridiculous effects of its own. As far as anime goes I'd bet my last pound you wouldnt be able to tell the difference side by side. You'll be witnessing a nice little placebo.
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It's not doubling them it's interpolating them. It is definitely very very noticeable.

It's not as good as a film shot in high frame rate of course, but it does an amazing job still.
 
Marine-RX179 said:
Yea it's indeed not true 60fps, but it most certainly not placebo as I can clearly tell when the anime is running at 24fps instead of the "fake 60fps" even without side by side comparison. If you want side-by-side comparison, have a look at the following and tell me you don't see the difference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHPVDXwMxiA

The "fake 60fps" is no more fake than the "fake 2560 res" of the downsampling of say 2560x1440 res onto 1080 monitor like DSR and VSR, but that doesn't neccessarily mean it is not better.
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If im honest

The 60fps looks slightly clearer but thats it, if it wasn't side but side i wouldn't be able to tell the difference at all.
 
Marine-RX179 said:
The "fake 60fps" is no more fake than the "fake 2560 res" of the downsampling of say 2560x1440 res onto 1080 monitor like DSR and VSR, but that doesn't neccessarily mean it is not better.
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I don't think that's correct.

Fake 60fps introduces frames that were never there to begin with.

"Fake 2560 res" renders the game internally on your GPU at the higher resolution, and when it's downsampled back to your monitor resolution it acts as a form of anti-aliasing.
 
rtho782 said:
It's not doubling them it's interpolating them. It is definitely very very noticeable.

It's not as good as a film shot in high frame rate of course, but it does an amazing job still.
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If it's not as good as a film shot in High Frame Rate (such as the Hobbit which looked awful) then I dread to think how bad it is!
 
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter if it is a fake 60fps or whatever method is used on TV's, AMD CP etc., it doesn't change the fact that for myself and others, in "our eyes" films look a lot better/clearer when "in motion" especially fast paced scenes.

Like I said before, for myself it is like comparing a 60HZ IPS to a 144HZ TN for FPS gaming, one looks like a smeary mess in motion whilst the other keeps a crisp look thus you can actually see what is happening with ease.

I tried out AMD's method on my PC (with MPC-HC, tried with and without madvr) last night and it does the job in terms of clear motion but there was still judders, nowhere near as good as my panasonic plasma TV smart frame interpolation feature so I'll stick with just madvr on my PC.

This whole thing reminds me of ubi's statement regarding games performance a while ago... "30fps looks better because it is more cinematic"
 
Take away the controller and watch someone playing a game at 30fps then 60 fps i.e. say watch a youtube gaming video, what would you rather watch?
 
VincentHanna said:
I don't think that's correct.

Fake 60fps introduces frames that were never there to begin with.

"Fake 2560 res" renders the game internally on your GPU at the higher resolution, and when it's downsampled back to your monitor resolution it acts as a form of anti-aliasing.
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Yes I know. But the reason I use that example is just trying to point out that improvement can exist, even if it is not the actual real thing (2560 res source being displayed on 1920 res panel instead of 2560 res panel).
 
The Slayer_UK said:
If im honest

The 60fps looks slightly clearer but thats it, if it wasn't side but side i wouldn't be able to tell the difference at all.
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I guess it is down to the sensitivity of preception varys from person to person, in the same sense that for music and audio, some people are more sensitive toward the difference in the quality and details of the audio/music, but for others not so much.
 
VincentHanna said:
60fps, no doubt about it.

Games aren't film though.
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They aren't but the same principle/end result applies, at least to my eyes anyway. The clear/good motion clarity + continuous smoothness of a 60fps youtube gaming video VS a 30fps gaming video is more or less the same as comparing no SFI/fluid motion to SFI/fluid motion enabled for films.

The main reason people choose 144hz tn screens over 60hz ips for gaming especially FPS is because the motion clarity is so much better so why not choose something that will also give the same effect for when watching films especially fast paced films.

At first, I didn't like the feature at all but after watching a few films and then turning the feature off and re-watching the same films, you just notice the awful judder and poor motion clarity.
 
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EEE welcome to Panasonic 8 year old plasma technology...
O wait LCD is better LOL
One of reasons I'm keeping my plasma till i can afford LG 4k oled cant watch movies without it now they stutter :D
 
Nexus18 said:
They aren't but the same principle/end result applies, at least to my eyes anyway. The clear/good motion clarity + continuous smoothness of a 60fps youtube gaming video VS a 30fps gaming video is more or less the same as comparing no SFI/fluid motion to SFI/fluid motion enabled for films.

The main reason people choose 144hz tn screens over 60hz ips for gaming especially FPS is because the motion clarity is so much better so why not choose something that will also give the same effect for when watching films especially fast paced films.

At first, I didn't like the feature at all but after watching a few films and then turning the feature off and re-watching the same films, you just notice the awful judder and poor motion clarity.
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You cant compare film and games. Film is shot in motion, games are created by coded engines. You couldnt get more different.
 
LambChop said:
You cant compare film and games. Film is shot in motion, games are created by coded engines. You couldnt get more different.
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Again, different content but "same end result"....

I've already explained my points plenty of times so no point repeating myself again.

If you don't notice the judder and aren't bothered by the poor motion clarity then great. I'm just thankful that we at least have plenty of options to choose from.


A youtube video showing a clip from drive using smoothvideo project, on youtube it is much harder to see the difference though:

 
Some people just don't like change :p

I just find it strange that so many people spend thousands on good PC's + free/g sync screens to get the smoothest gameplay possible as they can't stand stutter, 60HZ screens etc. but are happy to watch juddery films.
 
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People need to stop compering this to TVs way of doing it.. Its not the same least on my Philips 400hz.

See video above for example how can a 30fps 1080p Youtube video on the right look smoother than the one on the left? The hole Video is 30fps

Like I said above the AMD Fluid Motion alone is how TVs do there thing, With the Plugin + Fluid Motion its a complete different thing.

Forget about TVs Guys this isn't the same!
 
Nexus18 said:
Some people just don't like change :p

I just find it strange that so many people spend thousands on good PC's + free/g sync screens to get the smoothest gameplay possible but are so against something which makes films super smooth looking.
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It makes movies look like **** dude, there's only so many times I and others can say it.
 
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