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M1k3H

M1k3H

M1k3H

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Looks like this Monday the 21st we'll be moving in to our first house :D

I've been looking at appliances for a while now to become familiar with specifications, costs, practicality, etc.

We've agreed that on the 21st we will order three appliances:

1. A washer dryer: initially thought didn't need the dryer as we rarely use it, but when we do need it, it is due to urgency so thought why not.

Following advice from other threads here as well as from reading specs, I've narrowed it down to two brands acceptable, LG and Samsung, due to their reliable motors. Apart from that, warranty is the second criteria.

As such I've pretty much settled on the Samsung WD90J6410AW.

2. A dishwasher: In our current rental we have one, so have grown accustomed to it. We need a freestanding full size.

Looking at the market, to get a 5 year warranty one, you need to spend a lot of money (£600+). As such I've settled on something with 2 years of warranty. I know cheap Bosch stuff are not German made but I've been leaning towards the brand a little bit more than others. Other criteria is water and electricity usage.

I'm thinking of going for this Bosch Series 6 SMS58M23GB

3. A fridge/freezer (or a set of two individuals): From the start we agreed that we'll go for an American Fridge Freezer, as I always buy a lot of food, due to cooking everyday and we always run out of space. However it needs to be non-plumbed as the fridge will not have access to the current plumbing.

I think I got carried away by the hype of Samsung's marketing of their fridge/freezers with all their cool technology, however not sure how good they really are. Reviews seems to be mostly excellent on all their stuff.

Also drawn to their 10 year motor warranty which is a plus.

Was initially going to go for this Samsung RSA1SHPN American Fridge/Freezer , but for some reason I keep thinking that an appliance that uses one motor to do two functions is not going to do both of them perfectly.

So now, thinking of going for two separate appliances, the Samsung RZ28H6100SA Upright Freezer and the matching Samsung RR35H6110SA Upright Fridge.

Obviously the set is much more expensive (£1169 vs. £700), but it also has more capacity (627 vs. 532 litres) plus two motors instead of one.

What are people's opinions on the above dishwasher and washer dryer? Also if you could help me settle this argument with myself regarding the separate vs. all in one fridge freezer.

Any alternatives you would go for?
 
I would go for a washing machine + dehumidifier rather than washer/dryer.
Not quite as quick at drying washing but more useful for the rest of the house.
 
touch said:
I would go for a washing machine + dehumidifier rather than washer/dryer.
Not quite as quick at drying washing but more useful for the rest of the house.
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Thanks for the suggestion. I used to have a dehumidifier for this reason at my old flat since the drying part of the washer/dryer wasn't any good.

Like I mentioned when we do use the dryer, it is due to urgency, so would prefer the dryer. Any other time is due to having lots of washing, so our clothes airer is full, so we'll leave some clothes in the dryer.

Last 2 years, we've used the dryer maybe 6-10 times.
 
Single compressor fridge freezer work in one of three ways

First blown air, evaporator in freezer sections looks similar to a car radiator, refrigerant pumped through this and a fan blows air around if a vent in the fridge section is open the cold air will pass up into fridge if closed just in freezer section.

Second wet wall fridge, compressor will pump refrigerant though freezer section first then into evaporator in fridge section (usually behind back wall liner) temperature of product usually controlled by fridge section making ambient air temp more of an issue. Products with electronic control can alleviate this (bekos for example will run the compressor for a set period if it has not run for last 30 minutes) .

Thirdly divert valve, these will have a shuttle valve which will allow refrigerant to go to just the freezer or fridge and freezer section, this allows for better control of temp. These can be either wet walled fridge section or like some samsung have a radiator like evaporator in the fridge section as well.

I've had a samsung american style for 3ish years now been quite pleased with it.

Hope this help
Simon
 
M1k3H said:
Last 2 years, we've used the dryer maybe 6-10 times.
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We're the same with our dishwasher - it barely gets used. Most of the time it just seems quicker and simpler to wash up in the sink. Both of us together and within 10 minutes it is washed, dried and put away. The dishwasher probably saves time, but it breaks up the task into loading - waiting - then unloading and putting away.

We prefer to just get it done and out of the way there and then.
 
Mr.Cookie said:
Single compressor fridge freezer work in one of three ways

First blown air, evaporator in freezer sections looks similar to a car radiator, refrigerant pumped through this and a fan blows air around if a vent in the fridge section is open the cold air will pass up into fridge if closed just in freezer section.

Second wet wall fridge, compressor will pump refrigerant though freezer section first then into evaporator in fridge section (usually behind back wall liner) temperature of product usually controlled by fridge section making ambient air temp more of an issue. Products with electronic control can alleviate this (bekos for example will run the compressor for a set period if it has not run for last 30 minutes) .

Thirdly divert valve, these will have a shuttle valve which will allow refrigerant to go to just the freezer or fridge and freezer section, this allows for better control of temp. These can be either wet walled fridge section or like some samsung have a radiator like evaporator in the fridge section as well.

I've had a samsung american style for 3ish years now been quite pleased with it.

Hope this help
Simon
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Thanks for the info! Basically it sound like a sort of a two valve system, freezer always on and then fridge on when it is needed.

The_Abyss said:
We're the same with our dishwasher - it barely gets used. Most of the time it just seems quicker and simpler to wash up in the sink. Both of us together and within 10 minutes it is washed, dried and put away. The dishwasher probably saves time, but it breaks up the task into loading - waiting - then unloading and putting away.

We prefer to just get it done and out of the way there and then.
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Yeah, the gf has her heart set on getting one, good luck convincing her otherwise! :p
 
Korean refrigeration is good in general, so good some Neff American fridge freezers are actually Daewoo units.

Samsung have had issues previously with sensors and the defrost cycle, twin cooler models. If possible, as Mr Cookie says, air flow is the way to go, twin cooling, potentially twin problems but most of the problems have been ironed out.

Diverter vavles fail and with some manufactures you can't change them as they are in the fabric of the unit so the unit is scrap.

LG Washers are as good as they get, we sell them because you never have to go back to them. Happily pitch them against a Miele.

If you go for a separate dryer, White Knight the design hasn't change in 20 years, the are robust reliable workhorses.

Be careful buying Bosch/Neff/Siemens dishwashers, they are now using a plastic/metal bonded tub, they split and have to be written off.

I have a Siemens dishwasher, I love the three trays, the cutlery goes on top. Strangely quite a lot of people hate it and prefer a cutlery basket, each to their own.

Samsung are new to the dishwasher market and I have never come across one.

As for other brands, Sharp and Servis have just come back to the market, they are actually made by Vestel in Turkey.

Incidentally Vestel also make machines for Panasonic now.

AEG, Electrolux and Zanussi, Mr Cookie is you man, where were you when I needed you earlier. :D

Broadly speaking at the cheaper end Beko is pretty good, the spares are cheap and availability is never an issue.
 
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Many thanks for all the info!

Korean engineering seems to be the new German engineering these days :p

Are the fridges I posted above air flow ones? How can I tell?

I highly rate both LGs and Samsungs. If LG had a 5 year warranty bundled with their appliance, I would go for it as it is slightly cheaper.

So basically from what I understand, two units are better than one, but the one unit won't necessarily go wrong as they've figured it out.
 
LG do do washers with a 5 year guarantee but even if you find one with two years i would still buy one over anything else.

The American fridge freezer is a twin cooler but don't let that put you off, as I said, they have ironed out the issues.
 
I'd not buy a washer/dryer unless separate units, probably more likely to go wrong than just having a washer by itself. Got a Samsung Ecobubble washer myself it's fine, other people in my family have the LG Direct Drive and get along fine with that as well.

If using AO check Quidco, got some decent cashback from them last time I used them.
 
I bought a Samsung washer dryer a few months ago, don't have the model to hand but it's a 8Kg/5Kg model.

The washer is great - we use the daily wash for anything that isn't absolutely filthy and it only takes just over an hour. It's very quiet - until it finishes and plays a tune! It can be turned off but my other half likes it.

The dryer is rubbish - even by washer-dryer standards. Any more than a few small items and its still damp after a couple of hours.

I was going to buy an LG, but this was on offer at under £500 so about £120 cheaper than the LG I was looking at. Fortunately we rarely use the dryer.
 
I've recently bought a few appliances.

I have a Bosch Dishwasher which has been fantastic (in comparison to manually having to do the washing up!).

The rest I bought was Samsung - mainly because of the long warranties. The fridge freezer is excellent (with the frost free thing - so no defrosting ever which is a god send). The washer is an 8KG EcoBubble thing - no dryer (I put it on an airer next to the radiator - I normally wash clothes before I immediately need them) and this does the trick.

I've had no problems from all of the above. I'd also recommend ao.com (if you can get the price cheap enough) as they delivered exactly when they said they would and put them in position ready for me to plug them in.




M.
 
We bought a Hotpoint vented dryer recently and it works really well and has some good features but having had a Hotpoint combo a few years ago I would avoid them personally if you can.

Dehumidifier is a good idea - we use ours daily for clothes that can't go in tumble dryer.
 
boxman2000 said:
We bought a Hotpoint vented dryer recently and it works really well and has some good features but having had a Hotpoint combo a few years ago I would avoid them personally if you can.

Dehumidifier is a good idea - we use ours daily for clothes that can't go in tumble dryer.
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It is an Indesit machine but you paid more because it says Hotpoint on it.

Oh, and this.

https://safety.hotpoint.eu/
 
Thanks everyone for your comments, I think my mind is now at ease for going with an American Fridge/Freezer, so will get that.

To those saying that the combined washer/dryer isn't very good, like I mentioned we'll not be using it very much, only for emergencies or when the clothes airer is full due to multiple washes on the same day, so don't mind it a lot. Plus our utility has place for 2 appliances, one of them will be the dishwasher and the other the washer/dryer.
 
Bought a LG direct drive washing machine about a year ago and its the most ridiculously quiet washing machine i've ever (not) heard. They do a washer dryer version but I cant comment on it. It did have an odd minor issue early on that was repaired very quickly and without fuss by LG who's service was spot on.
 
uchuff said:
That's why we went with an LG washer dryer, been happy with it over the 18 months we've had it.
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I'll be honest on the drive home i was questioning whether I had succumbed to sales patter as I started thinking it cant be that quiet but its ridiculous. Hardly even makes a noise on spin (well unless the wife has put in 1 hand towel or something else daft and it gets out of balance on spin)


Edit - I must be getting old to be raving about a bloody washing machine :(
 
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