this country is messed up
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I just re-read the post I linked to and I was incorrect, both the British citizen and non-EU spouse have to live in the EU for 3 months before moving to the UK. It's just a way of getting around the financial requirement. It's known as the Surinder Singh Route.
I don't know the ins-and-outs of it, just what's in that article.
A bit more info here:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-23029195 (from my previous edit)
http://surinder-singh-route.info/
https://www.gov.uk/family-permit/surinder-singh
I think the you're coming from it at the wrong angle. The British government have no (well little) say over the intricacies of EU immigration policy and cannot stop people coming in if they are EU members. The answers need to be specific to the British government, "Why are they", not "Why do the EU not".
Unfortunately much of it is the pressure put on government by the Anti-Immigration lobby. The government have fiddled with what they can to make it more difficult (making the UK less appealing for students and many others as well). Complain about the Anti-Immigration lobby, not the EU, which would only be solved by leaving.
That said none of the UK requirements seem particularly draconian, and most are in line with other English speaking nations.
I guess it's loophole to get a marriage visa specifically without the financial requirement.
In this case where the spouse is already in the EU legally (where this loophole applies), they can come to the UK if they want, that is what freedom of movement means. It would just be on visa from the country that gave them permission. That visa may run out at some point though with no guarantee of a new one, whilst a UK marriage visa would be much better.
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Well since you are speaking for me and know my mind better than myself, you can answer all your own questions, fill your boots.
Seems you can not understand English if you think no one is being treated differently.
I will try to make it simple
Person A is an EU citizen from Britain
Person B is an EU citizen from let's say Denmark
Person A needs a requirement of 18,600 to bring his non EU wife to Britain
Person B doesn't need a requirement of 18,600 to bring his non EU wife to Britain
Person A is being treated differently from Person B even though they are both EU citizens
I hope its clear now
Person B's spouse has already got into the EU under Danish rules.
The UK is treating the spouse of Person B as they would anyone else legally allowed to be in the EU. That is superseding whether they are anyone's spouse or not.
They could come alone if they wanted.
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Person A is also a British citizen...so they follow British rules. Person B is only a EU citizen..so they follow EU rules.
Britain can make laws for their own citizens but not for EU...hence the whole fun and games about leaving the EU..
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Out with the lot of them,Our government that is..
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So you didn't have a point then? I wasn't speaking for you at all more wondering why you were going round in circles off topic moaning about the EU.
You know better, what do you think?
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Well on topic with a RELEVANT (non-EU moany) point, he has had exactly the same issues that you have had, if he had preferential treatment as being in the forces prior to this whole sitution, then people would moan about that instead.
You have to bear in mind that theres probably a very significant amount of ex-forces personnel in the UK and if in every case that happened like this they got a 'free pass' on the visa so to speak everyone would be up in arms about that instead.
Waving the flag about having served doesn't change the law, it helps in some situations but I don't reckon i'm entitled to something purely because of that.
Also anyone that is currently serving is already in the majority of cases over 18,600 anyway, so that point is irrelevant then too if service personnel are concerned.
I know a couple of people that have done it, one bringing his mrs and her 2 kids over from the states, it was painless because he did the correct paperwork on time.
It isn't. the folk in Afghan are merely shepards, whom get bombed by terrorist soldiers.
No, Person's B spouse hasn't already got into EU under Danish rules, they apply from their native country to the country they want to travel with their spouse to, in this case Britain, they get a free fast track visa to Britain, once again another difference.
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"you have been living in a dreamworld Neo"
Their job, is to protect the medical industries opium fields in Afganistan, and to enforce corporate rule in the middle east.
I think you are now conflating this with a completely different matter not even related to marriage. What visa are you now talking about? The only one it could be is a holiday/visit visa from your description.
What we are talking about above is about the process of getting a residence permit/visa which once you've achieved in Denmark under their rules would allow you to come to the UK and live here with your Danish spouse. Something which you've stated is unfair even though it isn't in the control of the UK government.
You think wrong, I have first hand experience of this subject, if we failed the second time we was going to move to Ireland under EU treaty rights as I couldn't stay in Russia, all my wife needed to do was apply for a free fast track visa at the Irish embassy and she could live in Ireland with me, as simple as that, the same applys for person B's wife but for Britain.
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He didn't have the same issue as we passed the £18,600 with flying colours, our issue was my wife having business level English instead of public, when public is much lower. I am sure the British public would rather have unlimited British spouse immigration than unlimited EU spouse immigration.
Yes the states process is painless compared other countries, no English test required or health tests for a start.
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I don't know how convoluted it is but you could surely have passed the English speaking problem by asking what was required or reading up on it?
Yep took me 5 seconds to find it via google,
https://www.gov.uk/remain-in-uk-family/knowledge-of-english
That would have avoided that issue by checking to see if the qualification she has was on that list.
So the only issue left is the health check, which I think is fair enough.
The problem came because it was an academic qualification that was taught in English as they want and is accepted for citizenship (citizenship level much higher) but it wasn't accepted for settlement, So being anal about it, it is our fault giving them gold when they wanted brass, being human about it, it was clear she has the highest possible level of English, better than the majority of natives, me included. So yes I am grumpy that a translator for the European parliament can be rejected but Marek's fake wife from the congo can enter without speaking 1 word of English and carrying AIDS. That's the whole double standard.